way too many flashbacks, they could have made the best episode ever if they picked up the pace.
About the deers, I kinda thought the deers would eat up the bits and pieces of Hidan
But we're still not sure how dead he is...
I kinda love it that I was right about the blood of Kakuzu. But it was really obvious in my thought.
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Uh also....there's no point in recovering Hidan if Kakuzu is defeated.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Did any of you guys put anything into that Narutos eyes where blue 9 tails eyes or where that just me? :P
I kinda liked that. Showed that he was taking the power, but not being taken over by it a little. More or less just focusing more.Originally Posted by Elendril
Loved that he used his Kagebunshins to run and get killed and then took their experience fom it. That in it self was a huge accomplishment for Naruto.
Also really liked the Wind Rasengan. I have a set of Bose speakers and the noise that it was making was actually hurting my ears, so that is always good!
All in all, kinda slow towards the middle, but good all the way around.
assertnfailure (7:40:03 PM): dude....your posts are a bunch of nonsense
Its funny that you would say that when in the very same link you posted it says its a skill and knowing an Earth-style skill is very different from having Earth type nature manipulation. Anyway I'll say it again, there was only one timee Kakashi actually used an earth technique and that was in his fight against Zabuza and that doesn't count because he used a scroll.
Anyway on the subject of Kakashi's use of elements, does anyone find it strange that he used that water wall technique out of nowhere when there was no water in sight, because he used a different technique in the manga and that was one of the changes they made that I thought was just strange.
-Oh and the dialogue in this episode was terrible.
Last edited by Abdula; Fri, 12-05-2008 at 11:35 PM.
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Um what are you talking about Abdula. First off Kakashi has constantly used earth Jutsu he has gone into the ground on MANY occasions and I find it hard to believe that could be considered anything else.
Second Kakashi used the same water Technique in the manga.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/336/12/
So yeah that wasn't a change at all.
The Shika clan are Konoha's pharmacists, in charge of collecting, documenting and storing medical ingredients. Chouji was saved after consuming the red pill because of the Shika clan's research and Tsunade's skills.
They also mentioned that they had a research facility up near the mountains, which the tiger fellow broke into and made the failed potion Oro gave him. (that was filler, I think, so it probably shouldn't count)
If their owning a forest or two is questionable, so is te reason the Uchiha exclusively run the police department.
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I agree with the majority of opinions, kinda slow and too much explanation but interesting none the less. And a funny "rough sleeper" comic relief to add to it. Yeah I laughed. Yeah I thought it was funny...
Though the characters looks were more accurate, the animation itself was poorer then the previous episode. Can't have it all I guess.
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That's only the way that particular translator chooses to tranlate the word Doton.
Cybernetic says Doton = Earth type skill
VIZ says Doton = Earth Style
DB says Doton = Earth Element
It's the same word that precedes all Earth element jutsu.
Just like Suiton(VIZ = Water Style) precedes all Water elemental jutsu.
And how Katon(VIZ = Fire Style) precedes all Fire elemental jutsu.
Sorry Abdula, but you are wrong, and this time, the Manga comes out and says you are wrong. That is Kakashi using an earth element jutsu without a scroll.
You can argue if you want, but you're arguing with the manga's writer at that point, which means you automatically lose.
I thought nature type techniques were avaiable to all, only the higher level techniques of each type are very taxing or impossible to do without an affinity. For example all of the environment-changing jutsu we've seen from kakashi have been water type, while chidori (as one of his most damaging attacks) is lightning type.
What I'm getting at is Kakashi can use the lower level techniques of fire, air, earth but would have trouble with the higher level techniques. To support this notion, just consider that most nins have a strong affinity, and a lesser second affinity (at least, the anime mentions this: I don't read the manga). This implies that affinity is ranked, and so while they have access to all nature types, the lower ones are too weak to be useful.
Why do I even bother seriously, why. Well I won't anymore.
DDBen, wow. Really, just wow.
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What? You have a problem with how you said something that was completely untrue about the manga and he showed us that you were wrong/lying?
By all means, take a break. I'll be sure to link this thread when you show up again and try and pretend it didn't happen.
From the animation, it seems both the manga and anime drew the Water Barricade, similar to the Third's Earth Barricade, which is I'd say is considered a high level technique.
What DB translates it as, is Circular Water Wall, which from memory, was a lower level water defense Kakashi used against Itachi when the Itachi/Kisame duo first visited Konoha.
I think that's the difference Abdula was referring to.
Last edited by Buffalobiian; Sat, 12-06-2008 at 01:32 AM.
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Suiton Suijinheki is the water wall technique used here, in the fight vs. Itachi, and by the second Hokage.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/142/09/ <--Kakashi vs. Itachi
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/120/02/ <--2nd Hokage
The 2nd also used that technique without water nearby. It is safe to assume that it is a pretty high level water jutsu based on those ANBU and Oro's reaction.
Honestly I don't have a clue what your talking about here.
I don't pretend I can speak Japanese but I also don't hold DB's translations as gospel.
http://www.narutobase.net/Naruto-Jut...inheki/55.html
That is just a random website I found with a quick google looking for a exact translation being I can't translate it on my own.
Name: Suiton: Suijinheki, 水遁・水陣壁, literally "Water Release: Water Encampment Wall"
That random manga chapter translated it as "Water Barricade" and DB translated it as "Circular Water Wall". I don't think any of those are purely wrong and they are all essentially exactly the same thing.
If your not talking about that and are instead refering to Kakashi's constant use of Earth Jutsu. Let see we have the first time team 7 tries to get the Bells where he sucks Sasuke into the ground upto his head for Sakura to find him. We have the second time they goto get the bells in Shippuden where Sakura shatters the ground Kakashi is hiding in. We have this episode where he sucks the Lightning mask into the ground. We have countless examples of him using techniques.
Heck I think its pretty well established Kakashi can "Copy" Techniques from any of the elements in general otherwise he wouldn't have the reputation of being the copy ninja in the first place. We don't know that he's Earth got an Earth affinity however. Any ability that directly has to do with Earth is a "Earth Jutsu" your claim that he only used one ONCE was blatantly wrong he's used Jutsu's all the time. Using a Jutsu of any kind is using nature manipulation of that particular kind. Having a Natural affinity for a certain kind of Manipulation is a different thing all together and you don't need an affinity to do basic jutsu's it just makes it easier on you. Not yelling out the attack name doesn't mean it isn't based on a certain type of nature chakra especially considering the whole concept likely wasn't fleshed out when Naruto first started.
http://www.narutobase.net/Naruto-Jut...-Jutsu/55.html
I do however agree with Buffalobiian the way it was animated Suiton: Suijinheki looked to be a high level water technique. Add in Kakashi V.S. Zabuza when Kakashi copied Suiton-Daibakufu-no-Jutsu and I think its safe to say Kakashi has some level of water affinity.
http://www.narutobase.net/Naruto-Jut...-Jutsu/55.html
please note the links are from a random webpage I'll assume the information on it is correct if you can prove otherwise go ahead.
Maybe ya'll are looking into this too much, the whole nature manipulation thing has mostly been picked up on in the latest episodes and obviously there's going to be something in the past that doesn't fit perfectly. If you want to look for inconsitancies, I'm sure you'll find plenty. Why isn't Naruto the strongest fighter ever, with the amount of Kage Bunshins he's has used? Because they only hilight the learning thing recently. Also why does Atsuma know the way into the Shika Forrest to make an appearance as a ghost if only the Shika clan have been there? Yes it's dumb but the whole point is probably not to take things too seriously.
Lets see....
Water jutsus Kakashi performed:
Mizu Bunshin
Water Barrier
Water Shark Missile
Water Explosion Thing
Giant Fuckin Water Dragon
Earth jutsus Kakashi performed:
Underground Arm-grab
Dog summon w/ scroll
I dunno you guys.....i dunno....
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
We're not arguing that Water is probably his primary element Assertn(although I would argue that its lightning since that's the element of the only move he's ever created).
We're just saying that "Yes, it is possible to be able to use more than two elements." Which Abdula insists is not possible without scrolls or a technique that uses someone elses chakra.
But Kakashi has clearly used 3 different elements without scrolls. These are not fillers. These are all from the manga, and they're all clearly identified by the call outs before them telling you what element they are(suiton, doton, etc.)
Any chance it could have something to do with his little Uchiha transplant, that maybe the eye carried some baggage with it?
I said something about that a few topics ago, but someone shunned that away.
It seems it is hard to understand that someone can do multiple elements while not having its affinity
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