Maybe it's more of a finishing act. They remove potential enemies that have the highest chance of chucking a wrench into their plans, but since they have bounties on their heads in the criminal market, Akatsuki can pad their pocketbook at the same time. Doesn't matter if it's insignificant to whatever other funding system they have, it still is money that's guaranteed to be in their hands and not their enemies'.
Thought i'd chime in on this, as i don't think anyone's pursued this angle.Originally Posted by Abdula
Likely the organization is like a "black market" for assassination. Sure you can get a gun from a store, but if you don't want it traced back to you it's not a very good idea. In my mind the organization running the bounties probably works off that same principle.
There is plenty of political tension between the different Countries/villages in the Narutoverse (at least it's implied that there is though we don't see much of it). So if a Country/Village precieved a certain individual (ninja or otherwise) as a threat killing them is a fairly obvious option. However if you don't want to potentially spark a massive war in the process those countries/villages may not want to send their own ninja to do the deed.
So the reason a country/village would bother using such an organization would be simple anonymity. The organization takes a cut and in return no one ever has to know that X country wanted a ninja from Y country dead, fulfilling the objective without the possibility of disastrous political repercussions.
That at least is my theory, though in the end i suppose it makes little difference. We'll likely never learn anything of value about it. I could have just said "The Lollipop King decree's the bounties from atop his candy throne to obtain retribution against those who would consume his people." and had just as much chance of having ever been proved right.
I just assume that ninja villages also have some kind of confidentiality clause as well. It'd be...weird...if they didn't.
That's actually a good point, too....just look what happened when Hyuga Hiashi killed that cloud ninja: the cloud village almost declared war.
It would definitely be bad for relations if a ninja village directly assaults prominent ninjas from another village.
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I'm also wondering about the different towns inside a country, you have Konoha inside the fire country which you might see as the capital. But I assume there are other villages, do they also produce ninjas? And would they have the same head protectors? Wouldn't seem logical if they do, Konoha means leaf, so...
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Konoha is also not the capitol of the Fire Country because the Lord of the Fire Country doesn't live there.
I imagine whatever city the Lord of Fire's castle is in is the capitol of the Fire Country.
Sounds about right but lets just suppose Kakashi disappears, there are obvious signs of a battle, he is assumed dead but his body doesn't turn up. Whats to stop some leaf ninjas from going to one of those drop off points and interrogating the guys there to find out who put the bounty on his head and why. I mean we already saw Ibiki interrogating the guy from the bounty station Kakuzu used.
Sending in some hunter nins that could eliminate Kakashi discreetly just seems like the better option to me. This bounty system doesn't seem discreet at all since it seems Asuma not only knew that there was a bounty on his head, but exactly how much it was worth too. So I figure being in a ninja village and all, if he knew that much he would also know who put the bounty on his head and why, and they said it was an underground organization.
Anyway..........
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Maybe they release bounties in a monthly magazine.
Could happen. I'd suscribe.
Why exactly would those random dudes at the drop off points know anything but the amounts and the faces of the targets for verification? It's obviously not the highest position in the organization to rot away in some hidden chamber behind a toilet.
Some pesky bounty hunter might have blurted out the amount after Asuma kicked his ass. Also, Asuma knows himself best what he has done in the past so he can make pretty educated guesses who might want to see his head detached from between his shoulders.
Real world mafias are also underground organizations but everybody knows they exists in quite a few countries and are heavily involved in various legal and illegal businesses. Doesn't make them any less underground organizations.
Ah but even the lackeys take their orders from someone. He doesn't have to know anything himself all he has to do is point them in the direction of someone who does. Even if all they get out of him is a name it'll be enough, and with all the crazy jutsus we've seen thus far I'm sure they must have some creative interrogation techniques.
I'm rather confused. I don't see the point you're trying to make here.Some pesky bounty hunter might have blurted out the amount after Asuma kicked his ass. Also, Asuma knows himself best what he has done in the past so he can make pretty educated guesses who might want to see his head detached from between his shoulders.
Real world mafias are also underground organizations but everybody knows they exists in quite a few countries and are heavily involved in various legal and illegal businesses. Doesn't make them any less underground organizations.
The point I was trying to make wasn't whether the organization was underground or not but that it was explicitly said that an underground organization put the bounty on Asuma's head and I would think Konoha would definitely be very interested in an organization that is paying out money for the corpses of its most prominent ninjas. They certainly won't just let it be.
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I wouldn't place too much trust on Konoha. Despite the group hosting the massacrer of one of the most important Konoha clans, they did absolutely nothing to wipe out Akatsuki before their ally ninja village's leader was kidnapped by the group. And actually even then they only wanted to save that leader and engage Akatsuki members if necessary to fulfil that objective. So, I wouldn't say they pay too much attention to criminal organizations or follow leads too deeply.
Well it's been mentioned before but Konoha's military power has lowered drastically in the last couple of years and quite frankly engaging akatsuki at that point would be suicidal.
i think they made the right move by ignoring them while they could while they fortified their power ( shinobi ) so they could eventually take them down.
That at least, does seem to have been a good move on Tsunade's part.
It doesn't matter....everyone in Konoha knows that their prominent ninjas have bounties on them. Asuma not only knew that he had a bounty on his own head, but that his is larger than Chiriku's. It's no surprise that other villages want people dead. It's a different matter when those villages act on this.
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I bet Konohamaru already have a bounty on his head just for being a descendant of the Sarutobi clan. I'm guessing about 3 1/2 ryou.
I'd kill him for free.
my 2 cents for bounties:
As people said, I think that the bounties aren't placed by ninja villages, they are placed by personal people who hold a grudge against a particular ninja (maybe Asume slept with someone's wife when he was young? that's the ninja thing to do), and probably stack up with time (take Tsunade, for example, she probably made a lot of small enemies during her time as ninja, so if a few of them offer around 10k-100k each, then it gets pretty big), and after a few years in action, people in that profession are bound to step on a few toes.
also, the bounty system works as a proxy for villages to get rid of threats without getting the entire village into a new ninja war.
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You're guys are being rather closed minded. Anyway......
1. I don't think many ninjas actually have bounties on their heads.
2. Even if they are prominent ninjas or the best in the village that doesn't guarantee that they actually have a bounty.
3. The more ideas you guys have about how this supposed bounty system would work, the less and less likely it seems to me.
4. The fact that Kakuzu was carrying around Chiriku's entire dead body intact, leads me to believe that placing bounties on someone isn't just about wanting them dead.
Itachi aside because I don't think thats really relevant. I don't have that impression of Konoha. They had only just found out about Akatsuki when Oro attacked the village and at that point rebuilding was their main priority. Since the skip it seems they have been a lot proactive. They have undoubtedly still been gathering info on Oro and Akatsuki and Tsunade even formed a special group just for the purpose of hunting them down. Plus Danzo and the elders are undoubtedly looking into it.
So I wouldn't say they haven't been doing anything I just think its all been going on off screen because all Kishi's screen time is devoted to developing Naruto instead of the world around him. Kishi has definitely done a good job of making the villages seem weak and inept, and makes it seem as if Konoha wouldn't be able to do a single thing if not for a kid in an orange jump suit but I just don't think its true.
The village would have never survived if they weren't actively pursuing and eliminating threats to them and Kishi gave us a little glimpse of that with Danzo and Sai.
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Like I said way back when this whole bounty discussion started, the other reason for bounties could be to collect bodies. Oro showed us that you can create terribly powerful slave zombie warriors (that even sounds cool) by simply having the rotting corpse of a powerful ninja and then sacrificing any nameless minion of yours to power it. So, you can simply place a bounty on some asskicker ninja, have him taken down by an uber powerful bountyhunter like Kakuzu, and you have a weapon to use in some special operation. Nothing personal but extremely efficient compared to devoting 20 years to raise a ninja that still might not turn out well.
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