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    Quote Originally Posted by Assertn
    Uberbaka, exactly. The bounty prices are completely arbitrary because we don't have any other frame of reference to currency in the series. For all we know $30M could be the price of a single B-ranked mission.
    I think the biggest clue to the relative value of the bounty is the focus with which an S-rank criminal like Kakuzu pursues it.

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    Kakuzu would probably rob a kid of his candy money... He seems to be in for his interest in cash, based on his talks with Hidan. Actually he would probably make much more money by working as a freelance witch doctor for wealthy people. If he can give Deidara The Armless Ninja new hands just like that, he should be able to fix a large selection of problems folks in such a violent world should have for a very good price, and above all far more consistently than by seeking random bounties here and there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnder
    I think the biggest clue to the relative value of the bounty is the focus with which an S-rank criminal like Kakuzu pursues it.
    That's like saying that Luffy's crew should have at least $600M on them at all times because their combined bounty is at least that high.
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    Has the currency in the series ever been specified? There is a significant difference between 1 million USD and 1 million Yen...

    (1,000,000.00 JPY=10,468.46 USD if anyone is interested)
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    The currency is ryou I thought
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    Quote Originally Posted by Assertn
    That's like saying that Luffy's crew should have at least $600M on them at all times because their combined bounty is at least that high.
    No. That's not even remotely what I said.

    I'm saying, that for a shinobi of Kakuzu's powerlevel, for him to consider the bounty worthy of his time, it must be significant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Assertn
    And you sure had a *lot* to say for someone who's tired of this discussion
    You'd be surprised what little interest I have in anything, period. Its part of my winning personality

    Anyway you're right, until we have some idea as to what value $30M actually has, continuing this discussion is kinda pointless. So I'll leave it alone until then.
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    @DarthEnder: How would you propose to compare what is significant to Kakuzu with what would be significant to a ninja village? or a country? The utility of a given amount of money to a given individual or entity is based in large part on how much money that individual or entity is already used to dealing with.

    If you're homeless and jobless you might kill for a chance at $10 million dollars. If you have a job and expect to earn $100,000 a year then getting $10 million would be a 'significant' amount of money to you though you probably wouldn't be as willing to murder for it. However, if you're the treasurer of a small bank that holds $100 million in assets then landing a $10 million account would be 'significant' to your bank but not to the same degree that it would be to you personally. If, instead, you were treasurer for a multi-national company that regularly has annual profits in the billions then a $10 million contract might be seen as a waste of time. And for the government of a country with a budget nearing the trillions giving out that $10 million dollar contract might barely even register on the books.

    How can you judge the value something on an absolute scale by looking only at how valuable it appears to one individual or entity?

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    Because I'm not looking at an individual. I'm looking at an organization.

    Kakuzu is a part of Akatsuki, whose first goal is to "obtain a ton of money" for the purpose of 1. Basically starting a ninja company and 2. Not being paid very much to do jobs. So you're talking about enough money to run the equivalent of a small ninja village at a substantial loss without running out of funding. Either way, I'm assuming that the amount of money Akatsuki needs is a shitload if it qualifies as Step 1. of a plan whose other steps are "capture the tailed beasts" and "rule the world".

    Now Kakuzu is the one who's "in charge of Akatsuki's finances". Which means he has to weigh a the bounty's value against his time and abilities being used to further Akatsuki's goal.

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    Kakuzu isn't very smart, either, so his evaluation of what manner of a bounty is worthwhile is of limited importance. No matter how big those bounties are, they are mere pocket money compared to the kinds of sums he could get from rich folks needing healing or a new heart to live longer. You know, there would be no end of millionaires that would give him half of their wealth if he gave them 20 or 30 more years with a new heart. Instead he wanders around looking for random bounties...

    Or he just really likes to fight.

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    since there was no new episode this week, I assume we'll get a two-part one next week? which means maybe something big, like the end of this battle, and maybe a death or two?

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    I don't know actually. When it's a special episode (2 episodes in 1) it's usually announced in the preview. And I dont look at the previews, that's why I don't know.
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    There's been skipped weeks without specials, and double eps have been aired without breaks. It's not a reliable indicator.

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    Yes. It's an hour long special
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    Nice, we should be in for some good action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilphatboi88
    Nice, we should be in for some good action.
    I dont know about all that, seems like the hour long specials seem to have more flashbacks than anything. Not to mention the constant looping of a fighting scene.

    assertnfailure (7:40:03 PM): dude....your posts are a bunch of nonsense

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco
    Kakuzu isn't very smart, either, so his evaluation of what manner of a bounty is worthwhile is of limited importance. No matter how big those bounties are, they are mere pocket money compared to the kinds of sums he could get from rich folks needing healing or a new heart to live longer. You know, there would be no end of millionaires that would give him half of their wealth if he gave them 20 or 30 more years with a new heart. Instead he wanders around looking for random bounties...
    He wanders around because his duties in Akatsuki involve more than just obtaining money. Such as capturing Jinchuuriki.

    I don't know how you can say he's not smart either. Unless your basing that purely on the fact that he's not selling his medical abilities. Because they are definitely portraying him as an intelligent villain.

    Also, there's the problem with the fact that, he's a wanted criminal, which means anytime a rich person tries to contract him to perform some medical work, it could just be a trap set by shinobi.

    At least with bounties, nobody contacts him directly. He just checks posted bounties, kills them, then shows up at a contact point for his reward.

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    Plus, don't forget that we don't know that he isn't selling his medical abilities - its not like its ever been mentioned in the series one way or another. He very well could be selling them to millionaries as well.

    Also - I haven't gone back and watched the episode, but I remember when I first saw them hit the fire temple, I thought they were looking for a Jinchuurki and stumbling across the monk with the bounty was just a lucky break. Kakuzu wasn't there looking for a bounty, he just found one and though it was worthwhile to turn it in before moving one. Then ditto for Asuma - Asuma found them, not the other way around. So it could well be that their bounties aren't high enough for them to be worth Kakuzu's while to hunt down... but since he ran into them anyways, its worth it to go ahead and collect them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azonalanthious
    Plus, don't forget that we don't know that he isn't selling his medical abilities - its not like its ever been mentioned in the series one way or another. He very well could be selling them to millionaries as well.
    That's actually such a simple point that I can't think of anything to say to counter it.

    And I don't really think he's not smart. By what we have seen he's the smartest one in Akatsuki. It was just something I said to counter all the bounty talk as if random bounties would easily make enough money to fund a whole mercenary army.

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    I see it as more of a down payment
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