Naruto Shippuuden Episode 85

[RyougaZell]

The animation rocked... enough said.

[Buffalobiian]

Indeed but both of those were done in a pool of water Shikamaru summoned he hasn't actually created any water or done any high level jutsu's with it.

This revives our issue of element mastering vs time. We said Jounin generally can't learn more than 2 or 3 elements because either A) they physically can't, or B) they don't have enough time to master it.

For a guy who's been around since the First, time isn't an issue, so we're back to square one guys

@poison issue: It's definitely viable (the incapacitating, not killing), but what doesn't make sense is why it's not affecting Shikamaru. One way it can work is for the poison to be slow acting, get Hidan contaminated, then inject the antidote. Those who watched the preview know how paralysing Hidan would work, though it may not happen that way necessarily. Those who didn't, keep it that way

[Kagari]

wow, epic.

Loved it. Edge of my seat.

I wonder what Kakashi gave Shikamaru? There's no way he's dead from Hidan's move, but what a friggen cliffhanger...I'll never watch previews, and I'm sure anyone who did is spoiled. I don't care.

God damn. Gotta wait another week? God damn.

[Rikudo]

Arrogance huh. You know you really shouldn't troll because you're not good at it.
You know you contradicted yourself here right.

And I didn't say anything about whether his plan was valid or not, I just thought it was really funny that he would think of poison. Like I said I just think he lacks imagination.


You gotta admit, thats just funny.

Anyway get back under your bridge, troll.

Contradicted myself?! Ha, you really are a bag of hurt. And look at my post count compare to yours? Which one of us spend more time here trolling, or should I call you taxi-trollboy from now on.

Poison may not kill Hidan but as Yuki pointed "IT" might be able to disable him long enough to decapitate him. Where's your imagination?

And no thanks, I think your space under the bridge is just enough for yourself.

[Spaceaprion]

I just hope Choji and Ino redeem themselves somewhat in the next episode. Hell for all they did this episode, it might as well have been Konohamaru and his gang out there backing up Kakashi and Shikamaru. That said, this is probably my favorite episode in Shippuuden.

[Pandadice]

well, I must say that it didn't leave as nearly as big of an impact on me as 82 did, but it wasn't bad either. it was pretty good.

I mean, the fights were really cool, when they were happening, but it seemed like it'd start then stop, start then stop quite a bit. so it'd like build it up, and then have it settle down, and then build it up again.. well, that's just how it felt to me I guess.

the ending was really cool. I can't wait for the next episode ^^!

I don't get why the masked akatsuki didn't like instantly kill chouji and ino.. that would of been so cool if they just killed them both off like that.

[Dark Dragon]

I don't get why the masked akatsuki didn't like instantly kill chouji and ino.. that would of been so cool if they just killed them both off like that.

Unfortunately this isn't HxH so even completely useless side characters whose redeeming qualities can be counted on one hand still has main character death shields.

This episode is simply awesome, i'm convinced that Kishi can still create excellent fights if he wish. It just seems that Kishi decided that none of those good fights will ever involve Naruto.

edit: I'll also hand it to Kishi that he at least is willing to kill off some useless characters, even if he does spend a long time over dramatizing them before hand.

[DarthEnderX]

Other's have already explained what I was thinking. That Shikamaru gives himself a debilitating poison, when it starts affecting both him and Hidan, he hits himself with the antidote, then does stuff to a still crippled Hidan.

I hope Kakashi somehow gave some blood of Kakuzu or one of those mask thingies to Shikamaru and he pretends he's hit. Meaning Hidan kills something else instead.

That would be pretty badass except...does Kakuzu even have blood? He just seems to be full of sgwiggly black things. And the mask thingies I'm almost certain don't have blood.

[StingRay]

Great Episode. Definitely one of the best ever made.

Yeah i think its painfully obvious that Kakuzu's blood was put in that empty capsule Kakashi got from Shikamaru in a previous episode. Taking back the capsule before the split up was a dead give away.

oh yeah and LOL at chouji and his stupid fat ass. Dude almost got killed for being an asshole and not sticking to the plan.

But yeah loved the entire episode!

[DarthEnderX]

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that water scroll too. I guess scrolls really can be used to use techniques you don't actually know(since I'm assuming Shika doesn't have Dark and Water elements).

[November 11]

Hi guys, I sign up just to say that this episode rocks!

It has all the good stuff that I'm looking for in an action anime:

1. Intelligent fights - ie. Hidan evading Shika's dart at the last sec by using his scythe & Kakuzu creating a quick water wall to block the explosive tag

2. Use of environment/items - ie. Shika using explosives, shadow shurikens & especially the water scroll+lightning combo!

I'm definitely not missing the Naruto clones & rasengan nor Bleach's Ichigo hack & slash.

[ASSpirine]

I've learned never to watch previews again
Luckily just in time when the people of this forum warned us. It's just the smart choice, after the nexr episode I might look at the previews.

OK, how muh does Ino still suck... Kinda like Sakura in the past. When Kakuzu got Chouki, she just threw some fricking Kunais...

[DarthEnderX]

I've learned never to watch previews again
Luckily just in time when the people of this forum warned us. It's just the smart choice, after the next episode I might look at the previews.

Now you know that thing that I've been saying for 3 years!

[Buffalobiian]

I hope Kakashi somehow gave some blood of Kakuzu or one of those mask thingies to Shikamaru and he pretends he's hit. Meaning Hidan kills something else instead

The more I read this, the more I think it'll happen, for two reasons:

a) Right at the beginning of the battle, Shikamaru said "this time I'll get my priorities right". Priority was to kill Kakuzu first. Though it looks like they're falling apart from Kakuzu's awesomeness, the mention of that role hints they've still got a plan in mind. As far as tactics go, you have an ultimate goal, and depending on the situation, you adapt your means to achieve it.

b) Second point has to do with the preview {Preview Spoiler}The preview shows Hidan no longer in his Black&White ritual mode. From what we know, he only turns back to normal after the designated person is dead, or suffers a mortal injury. Since he's already black&white, we know he ingested blood. Therefore, someone died. And if you watched the preview, you know it's not Shikamaru.[END SPOILER]

[ASSpirine]

The more I read this, the more I think it'll happen, for two reasons:

a) Right at the beginning of the battle, Shikamaru said "this time I'll get my priorities right". Priority was to kill Kakuzu first. Though it looks like they're falling apart from Kakuzu's awesomeness, the mention of that role hints they've still got a plan in mind. As far as tactics go, you have an ultimate goal, and depending on the situation, you adapt your means to achieve it.

b) Second point has to do with the preview {Preview Spoiler}The preview shows Hidan no longer in his Black&White ritual mode. From what we know, he only turns back to normal after the designated person is dead, or suffers a mortal injury. Since he's already black&white, we know he ingested blood. Therefore, someone died. And if you watched the preview, you know it's not Shikamaru.[END SPOILER]

I'll see if my guess was right
I haven't even thought about a poison actually. A poison is not only intended to kill someone, I think it can also serve as a paralysis. Even if Hidan is immortal, paralysis would probably work

[Nintendo]

Great Episode indeed but i wish they don't put preview of the next episode in Naruto like they are doing now in Bleach so they don't remove the suspense element and ruin the cliffhangers.
I'm so happy that both Naruto and Bleach are at their peak of greatness now and i'm sure there is still more.

[Assertn]

Well, I don't think the previews were as bad as I thought they were, judging by the reactions...but yeah...i'm pretty sure it would've been impossible to show any footage of this next episode without it spoiling a lot anyway.

I don't know about you guys...but I think this episode just proves even moreso that Kakuzu's main is still an earth-affinity. His body hardening jutsu is a high level earth one (definitely higher than mizu bunshins), and we saw him use it when he was about to pierce chouji.

[Abdula]

Yeah Assertn. there was a huge inconsistency there too. I agree with you that Kakuzu's main seems to be earth based on how often we've seen him use that body hardening jutsu.

Anyway the anime guys messed up a bit when they threw in that little water scene with Shikamaru. Kakuzu has four masks supposedly wind, fire, lightning and water and he himself has a natural affinity, which I think is earth. Anyway regardless of what his natural affinity is, he has one and he has the four masks so that he can use the other four elements but here after Kakashi kills one of his masks, we still see him using all five elements. They really dropped the ball there.

That would be pretty badass except...does Kakuzu even have blood? He just seems to be full of sgwiggly black things. And the mask thingies I'm almost certain don't have blood.

Yeah he does have blood, you see a bit when Kakashi pulls the raikiri out of his chest. They really limit the amount of blood you see in the anime though. Hidan is a good example, the guy got decapitated but we hardly saw any blood.

Thats one of the reasons I doubt poison would work on Hidan too, the guy doesn't even seem to need blood and they have no idea how his body works so I don't think poison would work and I doubt they would risk using poison if they didn't know for sure that it would work. What if he drinks it and nothing happens, then what. Besides poisoning an Akatsuki, very anticlimactic don't you think. Anyway whatever.

@Rikudo: When you start posting in the other sections of the forum then we can talk. Until then, leave me the hell alone and stop trolling the Naruto forum.

[Jessper]

I'll throw my hat in on "poison doesn't make sense" if he had a poison why not take 2 seconds and give it directly to Hidan while he was bound? Simple solution that doesn't put Shikamaru at risk.

I'm not sure why showing Kakuzu use low level water techniques is a screw-up, it makes more sense that someone that old should know lots of techniques regardless of their type.

Either whatever was given to Shikamaru was Kakuzu's blood and he somehow switched it (doesn't seem likely given that the cut was on his cheek, if it had been something covered in clothes it would make sense) or he is about to wipe away some of the blood symbol of Hidan's with a shadow or something. I doubt he gets hit for real.

[Abdula]

I'm not sure why showing Kakuzu use low level water techniques is a screw-up, it makes more sense that someone that old should know lots of techniques regardless of their type.

I don't think you got my point. Five hearts, five elements. Every one of his hearts represents an element and with every heart they take out he is supposed to lose the use of that particular element. Kakashi already took out one heart but we still see Kakuzu using all 5 elements. Low level or not it just doesn't make sense.

Its silly that losing a heart only means that he wouldn't be able to use high level techniques, but they change the rules all the time.