Ah, but you see. The Third wasn't around for almost 300 chapters of him doing nothing.
Ah, but you see. The Third wasn't around for almost 300 chapters of him doing nothing.
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The 4th issued several commands included but not limited to: sending naruto, shikamaru, neji, chouji and kibra to retrieve sasuke, sending team 7 to save gaara, sending team 7 to retrieve sasuke again, sending several teams to hunt akatsuki, when konoha got attacked by pain she took command of the whole situation instantely, and summon her slug to heal the injured.
What exactly did you wanted her to do during her time? go to the front lines? we have a serious misunderstanding of the word leader... Kages from any country only did shit themselves when their enemy is right in front of them, why should Tsunade be any different?
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Didn't she ask Jiraya to go with him to fight Pain? Then he said she had to stay in her office because she was "Hokage"....
She doesn't have the option to do much.
He ended the last great ninja war.
You mean the 5th who is Tsunade. The 4th aka Yondaime aka Minato has been dead for a long time.Originally Posted by UChessmaster
So basically speaking. Pein takes dead bodies, pokes them with Chakra sticks and then is able to controll them all at one time and use their jutsu's. So all in all he is just a glorified puppet master...
assertnfailure (7:40:03 PM): dude....your posts are a bunch of nonsense
I think you seriously misunderstand me. I already made my case about why I don't like Tsunade numerous times before. And I think if she wanted to she would have gone to the front lines, regardless of whether she is the hokage or not. Its Tsunade afterall, she makes bad decisions. For example
These were all bad decisions. Not only did these missions end in failure but in sending Shikamaru etc after Sasuke she basically forfeited the lives of what seven promising genin to save one, who didn't even want to be saved. If not for Kishi's desire to inexplicably keep them alive, Neji, Chouji, and probably Lee, Gaara and Naruto would have been dead.sending naruto, shikamaru, neji, chouji and kibra to retrieve sasuke, sending team 7 to save gaara, sending team 7 to retrieve sasuke again, sending several teams to hunt akatsuki,
More recently we have the Sasuke Retrieval Arc Act 2. I have no idea how sending so many ninjas to try to bring Sasuke back to the leaf village, was in the best interest of the village. All because some stupid genin has a hard on for his best friend and then we have her wise decision to call Naruto back to village to fight Pain even though he had just started his training. She was practically going to gift wrap him and present him to Pain. Heck even letting Shikamaru, Choji and Ino go after Hidan and Kazuku was a bad idea considering that they were extremely emotional and had just watched Asuma die.
I mean they were just on the exact same mission and their squad leader got killed but she allows them to go out again and it takes another 24hours before she even sends them some back up because Naruto's team would "work best with them" What the hell kinda BS is that. Oh and speaking of which, what is with her constantly putting Naruto in situations where he will come in contact with Akatsuki?
Tsunade may be a capable medical ninja but she isn't a great leader and Hokage is beyond her capabilities.
Oh and as for right now, lets just wait and she if she gets herself killed.
Last edited by Abdula; Tue, 11-25-2008 at 01:03 PM.
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Wow, very well put, Abdula. She really has been a lack luster Hokage.
seriously you are being hard on tsunade. there is a legitimate answer to everyone of those situations.
1) rescuing sasuke wasnt a mission important enough to send high level ninjas consider that the village had to maintain is balance of power by sending higher rank ninja on other mission to avoid other countries viewing them as weak. she sent SHIKAMARU and NARUTO on the mission giving shikamaru the choice to pick strong genin of his choice instead of sending them on cat searching missions. it was unknown to any of the leaf that sasuke left with others. he was the only one that met the 4 sound. however is was a strong possibility so she even enlisted backup in the form of the sand ninjas.
2) "sasuke retrieval arc 2"'s actual mission was find and capture the spy. it only became a sasuke retrieval after the fact. the mission was 2 pronged two gain info on one of konohas greatest dangers and bringing back an old ally that could potentially make orochimaru more of a threat.
3) calling back naruto... ok thats pretty stupid. but she is betting the future on him, and he hasnt failed her yet.
4) she didnt send shikamaru and company to fight hidan and kakuzu. they were going to go no matter what she said. instead she sent an elite ninja that was willing to go with them and even send HIS team as backup to get the job done. sounds like a pretty good compromise to me. sure she keeps sending naruto in the fray against the akatsuki, but she explained her reasons for this, and so far its worked.
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Oh but you are wrong sir. Tsunade herself said that this mission was very high priority, because stopping Oro from getting his hands on the sharingan and thus becoming more powerful was very important since Oro was the #1 threat to the village and had just attacked and almost destroyed it, what a few months earlier. Hell she even says and I quote "There is a high probability that Oro's henchmen are showing Sasuke the way." Shikamaru even requested that only jounins and chuunins be put on his squad and she says she can't do that because most of the higher level ninjas are out of the village on missions and the rest have to remain in the village so he will have to take genins. In that situation she either had to just let Sasuke go or send some of the ninjas stationed in the village the go, not send in a bunch of inexperienced genins with Shikamaru since as she herself said this was his very first mission as a squad leader. The funny thing was that she had Izumo and Kotetsu right there carrying books. In an emergency situation and she could have afforded to send a few higher level ninjas even if they were supposed to have remained in the village.1) rescuing sasuke wasnt a mission important enough to send high level ninjas
What are you talking about. Capturing the spy was when they went after Kabuto, speaking of which if you're sending people on a mission to capture a spy, an akatsuki spy no less. You would think she would send a group comprised of all Jonin but instead she sends 1 jounin, 2 chuunin and a genin on a mission in which they were likely to run into Orochimaru. Not to mention that this was a newly formed squad and it would be the first time Yamato and Sai would be working with Sakura and Naruto.2) "sasuke retrieval arc 2"'s actual mission was find and capture the spy.
Anyway back to my point. What I was referring to was when she sent Team Kakashi and Team Kurenai, minus Kurenai, to try and find Sasuke. Their mission was either to find Sasuke or if they coudn't find and try to capture Itachi in the hopes that he would lead them to Sasuke. That was one of the dumber things she has done, although they had a lot to gain by capturing Itachi, they really had nothing to gain by finding Sasuke and he wasn't even a concern to them anymore since as far as they knew he had killed Orochimaru. Oh and this is yet another example of her sending Naruto on a mission where he is likely to run into Akatsuki.
Yes, yes he has failed. Retrieving Sasuke the first time around, they failed. Capturing the akatsuki spy they failed, retrieving Sasuke the second time around they failed. In fact since she has been hokage the only mission she has sent Naruto on where he succeeded was when he defeated Kakuzu. Oh and in case someone mentions it I consider rescuing Gaara to be a failure too since he did in fact die.3) calling back naruto... ok thats pretty stupid. but she is betting the future on him, and he hasnt failed her yet.
Now you're really just reaching trying to make Tsunade look good. What do you mean she didn't send them, when she allowed them go. And what do you mean they were going no matter what she said. She is the hokage, you mean to tell me that she couldn't stop them from going if she had wanted to. And yes she sent an elite ninja, and three chunin on a mission where those same three chunin along with five other jonin had failed. And yes she sent that elite ninja's team as back up but 24 hours later.4) she didnt send shikamaru and company to fight hidan and kakuzu. they were going to go no matter what she said. instead she sent an elite ninja that was willing to go with them and even send HIS team as backup to get the job done. sounds like a pretty good compromise to me. sure she keeps sending naruto in the fray against the akatsuki, but she explained her reasons for this, and so far its worked.
Oh and her reasons for sending Naruto are completely ridiculous, she has blind faith in him that is all and so far it hasn't worked. The majority of the time he has failed, or is coming back alive enough to say it worked. The whole reason Tsuande is known as the legendary sucker or whatever it is they call her is because she is notorious for making bad decisions.
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I think Tsunade is an extremely capable medic ninja and decent enough fighter with her monstrous strength. She's one of the Legendary Sannin after all.
The bad thing about Tsunade is she let her emotion control most of her decisions. Being that type of person that she is, it's like a double edge sword having her as the Hokage. On one hand, people see her as a caring person. On the other, she's seen as a soft person, and who wants to have a leader consider as soft.,
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oooh! finally, Abdula is back to his old self, I guess the honeymoon is over, eh?
while most of tsunade's bad decision can can justified, she's still not a good hokage. I can't see her giving out an order to kill an entire clan (which all in all, proved out to be a good idea), and the fact that Danzou is brewing up trouble means that she isn't doing well of screen either.
mostly, her problem is that she doesn't know what she wants to protect and what she's willing to sacrifice. so far, it seems like the good ideas came from danzou (having Sai to kill Sasuke, making sure Payne doesn't get Naruto). but that's just nitpicking.
still Tsunade didn't impress me much as a leader, most of her ideas end up backfiring at her.
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He had the first and second hokage as senseis
He became the professor, a man thought to know most of the jutsus in the world
He trained the 3 sannin
He kicked orochimaru's ass plus 2 hokages
The fact is that in the 100 or so chapters when he was alive the third proved himself to be a better fighter and a better leader than Tsunade has ever been, case closed.
All of the things that you have listed were done over the course of the 3rd's life. Not to mention as for his leadership, he was the Hokage for a LONG time. Tsundae has only been hokage for what, 3-4 years? I think that she was the best choice for hokage, and I dont think that anyone had more right to become hokage than her.
assertnfailure (7:40:03 PM): dude....your posts are a bunch of nonsense
Tsunade was the best option because Konoha was lacking someone with the ability to take over when Sarutobi died. Clearly Minato was the only one who could do that, since when he died Sarutobi was appointed again. Only the sannin, Danzou and probably Kakashi were qualified to be the 5th. Jiraiya and Kakashi are lazy perverts, Danzou would have turned Konoha into a war zone at all times, and Oro is batshit crazy (though I think he would have made an outstanding Hokage.) Tsunade is just the lesser of evils.
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Position accepted.
Its really weird that after the third died there really wasn't anyone in the village who was qualified to take his place. Where are all the other ninjas from Sarutobi's, Tsunade's and even Minato's generation?
Last edited by Abdula; Wed, 11-26-2008 at 06:34 PM.
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most likely, killed by the kyuubi (or died in one ninja war or another). raises the question how the hell was the leaf considered the strongest village all that time.
(though, to be fair, sand village doesn't seem like much, either)
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Very simple. They were the strongest at one point, back when the villages were first founded and the kages just appointed. Back then they still had the Uchiha, the Senju and the Bijuus. Plus the first, the second and the third together, sounds like pure win to me. It seems that after the fourth died, the village has been struggling just to maintain their position, and not doing a very good job of it either. I remember wondering, after Oro attacked the village, if this really was the best the Naruto world had to offer.
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I'm liking the idea of Oro as Hokage. At least he would have a damn better personality than Danzou, and we can see he's probably going to end up getting the title as well which is the sad thing.
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