Naruto Shippuuden Episode 84

[DarthEnderX]

This is crazy, lots of characters have used multiple elements. And not just the sharingan users. The 3rd did also.

Its obviously all a matter of time and talent.

The only thing that isn't obvious now is if its possible to use ALL 5. At first I assumed yes, but since they just introduced elemental weaknesses, I now wonder. After all if one element is your affinity, does that mean they have an ineptitude with the element that their affinity is weak against against, or the element that is weak against their affinity?

What Jounin exam? There is no Jounin exam and the idea of an exam to become a jounin is really stupid. Firstly it wouldn't be some genin kids taking the exam and I'm absolutely sure no village would be pulling their chunins off of missions to have some stupid exam. Secondly I doubt you could properly assess whether someone has what it takes to be a Jounin based on some stupid exam.

I'd just like to point out that the chuunin exam was full of adults. The second point makes perfect sense though.

[Assertn]

Yamato's affinity is both earth and water, and earth > water

[Abdula]

I'd just like to point out that the chuunin exam was full of adults.

No not really but my point wasn't about their age but how important their roles are in the village. Genins are just fodder who for the most part only go on D ranked missions whereas chunins do C and B ranked missions which are alot more dangerous and alot more important to the village. So they couldn't forgo those missions to have an exam.

[Kraco]

I suppose the Jounin must be able to coordinate the actions of multiple teams if necessary and know a great deal of the world, strategy and tactics. It's not impossible they would have some sort of an exam to make sure no Jounin would be lacking some details before given a mission or placed in a situation where such a hole in education could prove fatal. However, I reckon it would be an exam of knowledge and wits rather than combat, because combat ability would have already been proven many times over in practice.

From what we have seen these people aren't worked like slaves, so taking a few days to go through an exam would be no big deal. It wouldn't need to be such theatrics as the chuunin exam was.

[Kagari]

One way that I look at it is that if you have a strong affinity to an element, your techniques will not only become more powerful, but you'll be able to create that element and manipulate it in more ways than one.

Kisame obviously has a strong Water affinity, and was able to create a tidal wave where there was no water present. Kakashi used water techniques against Zabuza, but he was simply manipulating the water by using the same jutsu Zabuza was.

He couldn't create mist/water himself, I don't think.

Look at the hokage battle! They were able to create earth walls, tidal waves, huge fire blasts...We still don't know enough about elemental jutsus to claim what is required for people to use them.

Someone like Sasuke, with fire as an element, can make fire from his throat (or stomach, or wherever it comes from). But i doubt he could manipulate wind the way Naruto is learning.

[lilphatboi88]

if people really can learn all 5 elements, i think that would be pretty dumb.

[iMUSTbeTHEdevil]

if people really can learn all 5 elements, i think that would be pretty dumb.

Define "Learn"

[lilphatboi88]

Use and master, I guess

[Marik]

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[DarthEnderX]

I think it would be odd if given the time and effort you couldn't learn all 5 elements.

It'd be like saying "if you learn to ride a bike, you can't learn to drive a car after that."

[Death BOO Z]

well, you can learn to drive all types of vehicles (not really all, submarine, space shuttle, types of fighter plains), but you can't win all the F1 races, the tour-the-France and motocross races...

[lilphatboi88]

I think it would be odd if given the time and effort you couldn't learn all 5 elements.

It'd be like saying "if you learn to ride a bike, you can't learn to drive a car after that."

So the way you interpreted my post was, if a ninja learns to walk, he can't learn jump? Moreover, learn to talk or learn to listen?

[DarthEnderX]

well, you can learn to drive all types of vehicles (not really all, submarine, space shuttle, types of fighter plains), but you can't win all the F1 races, the tour-the-France and motocross races...

I agree, but the argument isn't "can you kick ass at all 5 elements" its "can you use all 5 elements".

And I say, yes, with enough time and effort, you could learn all 5, unless there's an opposite of your affinity element that you are somehow banned from using.

Obviously, your gonna kick ass with your primary element, and be progressively weaker with each element you learn after that.


I suspect the element wheel goes in a circle for people. I'm just not sure which direction it goes. Where you go one way around the wheel, and the further you get from your affinity element, the harder it is to learn that element, until you get all the way around to either the element weak againsts your affinity, or the element strong against it, and it's either the most difficult to learn, or its impossible.

[Abdula]

Its not HXH, Darth, so just forget it.

[lilphatboi88]

The only case you're thinking of is the avatar from Avatar: The Last Airbender

[Buffalobiian]

I suspect the element wheel goes in a circle for people. I'm just not sure which direction it goes. Where you go one way around the wheel, and the further you get from your affinity element, the harder it is to learn that element, until you get all the way around to either the element weak againsts your affinity, or the element strong against it, and it's either the most difficult to learn, or its impossible.

According to that, Sasuke should perform wind techniques better than lightning, according to the wheel: fire>wind>lightning - which is not the case.

[ASSpirine]

I don't know if we'll ever find out... I still stand by my point of view, time can only tell.
I hope Kishi has explained it already

[DarthEnderX]

According to that, Sasuke should perform wind techniques better than lightning, according to the wheel: fire>wind>lightning - which is not the case.

Hmm, thats true.

Although...it could just be that he never learned a wind technique. Just because you have an affinity, doesn't mean you would have to learn them in that order. I mean, we all know that the first elemental techniques Sasuke learned were fire techniques, but his lightning techniques are more powerful, which means he's probably a lightning type. So if you don't have to learn your affinity first, you wouldn't have to learn them in any particular order.

Maybe Sasuke's wind techniques WOULD be stronger than his fire techniques, but he's never bothered to learn a wind technique.

[Buffalobiian]

I'll leave your theory as is, since it's on unproven grounds anyway (hence not wrong, as far as I know). It'd mean that Naruto's next best element would be lightning as well

[Abdula]

Darth I have no idea what makes you think people would simply be able to learn other elements. One it would be incredibly stupid and two it would completely defeat the purpose of having elemental affinities and the whole element wheel in the first place.

Kishi added in this little wrinkle to make his rock-paper-scissors system a bit more interesting. What your suggesting is a complete contradiction to what we've seen thus far. Anyway thats enough about that, besides I can't think of any show that had an elemental system similar to this, that simply allowed people to learn whatever they wanted.

Although...it could just be that he never learned a wind technique. Just because you have an affinity, doesn't mean you would have to learn them in that order. I mean, we all know that the first elemental techniques Sasuke learned were fire techniques, but his lightning techniques are more powerful, which means he's probably a lightning type. So if you don't have to learn your affinity first, you wouldn't have to learn them in any particular order.

I'll say this just for argument's sake. Fire is Sasuke's main affinity, you say his lightning techniques are more powerful but he only has one powerful lightning technique, chidori. Which doesn't compare to Kakashi's raikiri since lightning is Kakashi's main element. His chidori seems more powerful than his fire attacks but thats just because lightning > fire.