Actually the 20 years comment was just in regard to Naruto. Kakashi said this training would have taken him about 20 years if he wasn't using the clones, whereas Sasuke learned chidori in a month.
Actually the 20 years comment was just in regard to Naruto. Kakashi said this training would have taken him about 20 years if he wasn't using the clones, whereas Sasuke learned chidori in a month.
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Just Naruto? Probably, but I'd think normal ninjas would be closer to the 20 year mark than the 1 month mark. Besides being a genius, Sasuke also has his Sharingan, so he didn't have to find out the method himself, ie he could see how it's done. Naruto was taught how to do the Rasengan as well, but he had to discover the actual method (how to make the chakra flow) himself, which was the hard part. (though he DID do it in a week, so bad example).Originally Posted by Abdula
Either way, time is definitely a factor, and it's not a small one neither. That's all I'm saying.
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I suppose the Jounin must be able to coordinate the actions of multiple teams if necessary and know a great deal of the world, strategy and tactics. It's not impossible they would have some sort of an exam to make sure no Jounin would be lacking some details before given a mission or placed in a situation where such a hole in education could prove fatal. However, I reckon it would be an exam of knowledge and wits rather than combat, because combat ability would have already been proven many times over in practice.
From what we have seen these people aren't worked like slaves, so taking a few days to go through an exam would be no big deal. It wouldn't need to be such theatrics as the chuunin exam was.
One way that I look at it is that if you have a strong affinity to an element, your techniques will not only become more powerful, but you'll be able to create that element and manipulate it in more ways than one.
Kisame obviously has a strong Water affinity, and was able to create a tidal wave where there was no water present. Kakashi used water techniques against Zabuza, but he was simply manipulating the water by using the same jutsu Zabuza was.
He couldn't create mist/water himself, I don't think.
Look at the hokage battle! They were able to create earth walls, tidal waves, huge fire blasts...We still don't know enough about elemental jutsus to claim what is required for people to use them.
Someone like Sasuke, with fire as an element, can make fire from his throat (or stomach, or wherever it comes from). But i doubt he could manipulate wind the way Naruto is learning.
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if people really can learn all 5 elements, i think that would be pretty dumb.
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Use and master, I guess
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I think it would be odd if given the time and effort you couldn't learn all 5 elements.
It'd be like saying "if you learn to ride a bike, you can't learn to drive a car after that."
So the way you interpreted my post was, if a ninja learns to walk, he can't learn jump? Moreover, learn to talk or learn to listen?
well, you can learn to drive all types of vehicles (not really all, submarine, space shuttle, types of fighter plains), but you can't win all the F1 races, the tour-the-France and motocross races...
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I agree, but the argument isn't "can you kick ass at all 5 elements" its "can you use all 5 elements".
And I say, yes, with enough time and effort, you could learn all 5, unless there's an opposite of your affinity element that you are somehow banned from using.
Obviously, your gonna kick ass with your primary element, and be progressively weaker with each element you learn after that.
I suspect the element wheel goes in a circle for people. I'm just not sure which direction it goes. Where you go one way around the wheel, and the further you get from your affinity element, the harder it is to learn that element, until you get all the way around to either the element weak againsts your affinity, or the element strong against it, and it's either the most difficult to learn, or its impossible.
According to that, Sasuke should perform wind techniques better than lightning, according to the wheel: fire>wind>lightning - which is not the case.
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Hmm, thats true.
Although...it could just be that he never learned a wind technique. Just because you have an affinity, doesn't mean you would have to learn them in that order. I mean, we all know that the first elemental techniques Sasuke learned were fire techniques, but his lightning techniques are more powerful, which means he's probably a lightning type. So if you don't have to learn your affinity first, you wouldn't have to learn them in any particular order.
Maybe Sasuke's wind techniques WOULD be stronger than his fire techniques, but he's never bothered to learn a wind technique.
Its not HXH, Darth, so just forget it.
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The only case you're thinking of is the avatar from Avatar: The Last Airbender
I don't know if we'll ever find out... I still stand by my point of view, time can only tell.
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I'll leave your theory as is, since it's on unproven grounds anyway (hence not wrong, as far as I know). It'd mean that Naruto's next best element would be lightning as well
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Darth I have no idea what makes you think people would simply be able to learn other elements. One it would be incredibly stupid and two it would completely defeat the purpose of having elemental affinities and the whole element wheel in the first place.
Kishi added in this little wrinkle to make his rock-paper-scissors system a bit more interesting. What your suggesting is a complete contradiction to what we've seen thus far. Anyway thats enough about that, besides I can't think of any show that had an elemental system similar to this, that simply allowed people to learn whatever they wanted.
I'll say this just for argument's sake. Fire is Sasuke's main affinity, you say his lightning techniques are more powerful but he only has one powerful lightning technique, chidori. Which doesn't compare to Kakashi's raikiri since lightning is Kakashi's main element. His chidori seems more powerful than his fire attacks but thats just because lightning > fire.
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Except that...its not. Kakashi comes right out and says most jounin know two elements. One of those isn't their affinity element. I don't understand how you can even argue this when its so plainly stated. Ninja can learn elements that aren't their affinity. Why would they have to stop at one extra? That makes no sense and is, as you say, "a complete contradiction" to what has been stated thus far.
If a ninja spends years learning his affinity element, then spends several more years learning a second element, what exactly is keeping them, once they know two, from working towards a third?
There's been no "barrier" from a third element stated. It doesn't exist as far as any information we've been presented is concerned.
Your entire argument basically boils down to "This building has more than one floor, therefor it must have exactly two floors."
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