My response wasn't about Danzou being Madara, I'm not sure about that twist... but I'm pretty sure by the time it's revealed who Madara is, he's going to be someone previously established.
My response wasn't about Danzou being Madara, I'm not sure about that twist... but I'm pretty sure by the time it's revealed who Madara is, he's going to be someone previously established.
perhaps danzou is Madara's brother? what if he never died? and they just traded eyes?
Originally Posted by darkshadow
Possible, would require a whole lot of spin-shitting to explain how they gave a zombie the position of mega-military commander, or otherwise, how they gave that position to someone they don't know anything about.
Tyreal:
madare is the kind of guy that lived for a gzillion years just to get revenge (and has a use for another Uchiha to do it), he wouldn't kill Sasuke, especially when he knows that Itachi is dying.
Danzou allowed Tsunade to send 5 shitty genins to go after Sasuke, if he cared so much about preventing Orochimaru from getting Sasuke, he would have sent his own men after him (Sai.. maybe yamato? most likely a few others who could kick any of the sound nins ass).
unless, of course, you believe that Madare planned all this from ages ago, and knew that Sasuke would betray orochimaru, and this, and that, and he knew it all so good and actually planned the entire thing from beforehand. and if you believe that, then you'll believe anything.
also, Madare is already Tobi and Mizukage. he's got a good deal of personalities to take care of...
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I actually had to make an account after reading madare is danzo bs ...
Danzou allowed Tsunade to send 5 shitty genins to go after Sasuke
-your talking about the first time right ? The village was still recovering and short on people i dont even think danzo was shown then ? the second time it was Sai/yamato both being anbu level for sure. sai's pretty badass when their not trying to dumb him down with emotion :P
@ all this danzo is madare stuff..
-mad has black hair and doesnt age, danzo is old, grey haired, and one of the people who decided to destroy the uchia clan (seems like the person who would suggest it to me)
madare's brother more than likely died /is blind/ cant be danzo.. everyone would remember him as a uchia if he was.. and both brothers had mang eyes..if i remember correctly .. he merely took out his younger brothers eyes to make his perm...
@pein would beat madare..
uber superpowerful uchia who can make attacks phase through his body and more than likely knowns all of peins abilities would not loose :P
@ madare
personally im just betting on him having a second eye that he can't turn off, or he has 1 eye because he lost the other when he fought the 1st....
If Madara wanted/cared about Sasuke he wouldn't of risked Orochimaru using him as his body, which would effectively make him useless to Madara since Orochimaru would of been much harder to manipulate and more of a threat than Sasuke is. On the same line of thought if Madara cared about using the Uchiha why would he help Itachi kill them all off. Although I admit that since Sasuke was left alive it might prove that Madara does have a use for him specifically, however I think the original use was just for Itachi to get Sasuke's eyes (at least that is what I think Madara thought). The only reason Madara is currently using Sasuke is because he needs a replacement for Itachi.
Why should Madara care how Sasuke trains to become powerful. We can assume that Madara/Danzo has the same information as the rest of Konoha (i.e. he knows that Orochimaru can only change bodies every 3 years and that he recently changed bodies before getting Sasuke, he probably knows even more if Orochimaru did come up with his eternal life technique while in Akatsuki and even more if he modified Madara's way of staying alive for centuries). That's even if Madara cares about if Sasuke lives or dies.Danzou allowed Tsunade to send 5 shitty genins to go after Sasuke, if he cared so much about preventing Orochimaru from getting Sasuke, he would have sent his own men after him (Sai.. maybe yamato? most likely a few others who could kick any of the sound nins ass).
Another possibility is that Madara/Danzo sent Sai to assassinate Sasuke as a test (possibly even on Itachi's request), since if you remember correctly ANBU's Root and the Hidden Mist Village had a similar way of doing things and one of those ways of doing things was life or death battles as tests. We also know that after a rouge ninja is killed the person who killed them (if they are from the rouge ninja's village) take the body back with them to prevent the villages/clans secrets getting out. Which means Itachi would of probably gotten Sasuke's eyes if Sai did somehow manage to beat him.
Why would he of needed to know about this and planned it from ages ago. He could just be responding to situations as they arise in a manner that best suits his ultimate goal. Anyway arguing about this is pointless so this will be my last post on the subject, we'll just have to wait and see what happens. I could very well be wrong.unless, of course, you believe that Madare planned all this from ages ago, and knew that Sasuke would betray orochimaru, and this, and that, and he knew it all so good and actually planned the entire thing from beforehand. and if you believe that, then you'll believe anything.
Also I didn't consider that Uchiha Madara's brother may be Danzo (although now that I've been told about the theory it's another one I like), but if that's the case why is he going against Madara. If anything I would of thought he would be helping Madara as didn't he give Madara his eye's willingly, it's even more likely he would be helping his brother if they swapped eyes.
Look at the pictures both Madara and Danzo have black hair, not to mention they both have age lines (just because someone doesn't age doesn't mean they aren't old):
Danzo: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/na...5/5f/Danzo.jpg
Madara: http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/na.../7/72/Tobi.png
Madara told Sasuke that his brother gave up his eye's willingly. Also I thought all the stuff with the first and Madara happened a long time ago. It's unlikely anyone remembers them in person.madare's brother more than likely died /is blind/ cant be danzo.. everyone would remember him as a uchia if he was.. and both brothers had mang eyes..if i remember correctly .. he merely took out his younger brothers eyes to make his perm...
I have to point out that Itachi did say that Madara is only a shell of his former self. And Pain has a reputation as a God, not even the First Hokage or Madara got that kind of recognition (and they could both control the Bijuu).@pein would beat madare..
uber superpowerful uchia who can make attacks phase through his body and more than likely knowns all of peins abilities would not loose :P
Last edited by Tyreal; Fri, 10-17-2008 at 09:07 AM.
This chapter only makes me wonder what was in that message to Orochimaru. I bet ANBU's roots division tries to step in and deal with pain and if they win they try to declare ome kind of martial law that overrides the hokage. That would put Danzou in a good place to control stuff.
I dont know what to think of akatsuki still. Their goals are either shallow or murky. Even though they are currently attacking the village i dont think they are the more pressing enemies to worry about.
Well Raikiri Inu was pretty cool, and it seems like it has a longer range and area of effect than Sasuke's chidori snake/pole thing so take that me from the chapter 420 page, Kakashi >>> Sasuke.
Still, I don't see Kakashi beating multiple Pein bodies without some serious support. He's always struck me as a more one on one and sneak attack specialist. As someone else mentioned Gai would probably be a big help here since he's too wild to fight just one person at a time.
Danzou's gambit was a bit of a surprise, but it makes sense that he wouldn't want to risk Pein getting his hands on the Kyubii. I just hope he's got something up his sleeve to help Konoha deal with Pein.
Wow...using the argument of black hair on a manga that is draw in white and black
Wow... totally disregarding the similar age lines and trying to de-proof something that isn't really that important anyway
I wasn't even going to bother posting in this thread after seeing all the BS here. I mean seriously Danzou kills a frog to prevent idiot Tsunade from throwing Naruto right into Pain's hands and all of a sudden Danzou is Madara. If there was ever a time for a good face palm, this is that time.
Anyway this chapter was good. The only problem I had was Sakura one-shotting the giant centipede when all those random ninjas were just standing there. Made them look completely useless.
Kakashi showing his awesomeness, and yes take that Yuki from chapter 420. Naruto actually looks promising, seeing all those decapitated mountains gave me a little hope and a thrown rasenshuriken should be good for at least one surprise attack before his opponents get wise to it.
I think Tsunade was being an idiot and I agree with the elders. I can't say Danzou did the right thing, because killing the toad was unnecessary but I agree with his course of action. Tsunade really was being an idiot, faith, faith, faith, yeah they should believe in Naruto more but having blind faith in people is not being a good leader. Right now they know diddly shit about Pain. So wait a bit and actually get some more info about Pain before you call in Naruto. Konoha has numbers on their side so send in some people to surround Pain's bodies, counterattack and actually assess his abilities before you throw in your trump card. If you send in Naruto right away and Pain does to Naruto's rasengan what he did to Jiraiya's ultimate rasengan and captures him, then game over.
I said this before and I'll say it again, Tsunade really doesn't make good decisions. I guess thats why she is so bad at gambling, she should have learned by now that you don't go all in from the very beginning. Tsunade likes to gamble which is okay, but more often than not she loses and this is one time they can't afford to lose.
Anyway I think Danzou has a plan and I want to see what he has up his sleeve.
Last edited by Abdula; Fri, 10-17-2008 at 12:06 PM.
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With all these bad guys posing as anbus, you'd think that someone will start suspecting something..
I know that ANBU have uses for their masks, but seriously, it's ridiculous that everybody can pass as an anbu and wreck mayhem with the mask.
however, we still need to consider the possibility of a double set-up, maybe someone is just pretending to be Danzou. my first suspicion is Qunan, but I need to figure a motive for her not to want to bring Naruto to the village. so the next suspect is Kabuto, who is very good at ANBU disguises, maybe he wants the village to be destroyed so he could use Naruto to kill\weaken Sasuke so Oro could take over.
I'm really disappointed that Danzou is a bad guy.
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What is wrong with you guys, is the idea that Danzo killed the toad to prevent Pain from getting an opportunity to capture the Kyuubi just too simple an explanation for your tastes. Must there always be some conspiracy? Anyway I've said all I'm going to say about that.
Last edited by Abdula; Fri, 10-17-2008 at 12:55 PM.
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Because if you read the manga, across Danzou's face it says "Danzou's secret plot!!".
That's why it is a conspiracy.
Have to admit that Danzou being Madara or somehow connected to Madara may not be so far fetched. Afterall, he hates the First Hokage and therefore Tsunade, but no explaination is given this hatred other than the line that he likes to do things in a different, more violent way.
But we've seen that before haven't we?
In fact doesn't it say: Danzo's secret plot 2
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Those look like exclaimation marks to me, albeit shit ones. Still, its a plot nontheless.
What similar age lines? We only saw part of Madara's face once, when he was talking to Sasuke, and he didn't look remotely like Danzou.Wow... totally disregarding the similar age lines and trying to de-proof something that isn't really that important anyway
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So kakashi has been messing with the raikiri too, up yours sasuke
Throwing the rasenshruiken... how predictable
Danzo did the smart thing btw, and any sane person who wasn't aware that naruto is the main character and therefore cannot die would do the same thing
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Why would he add himself to sasuke's target list?
Last edited by Archangel; Fri, 10-17-2008 at 05:34 PM.
Just because its predictable, doesn't mean that throwing the rasenshuriken is a bad thing; it actually makes sense.
So Danzou is plotting to keep Naruto away from Pein and Akatsuki. Damn, that bastard.
(Yeah, killing the frog dude was lame, but that's why it has to be a secret)
There's always the potential for learning/gaining more Sharingan hax if they fought.
Madara: "Haha, I was Kakashi all along!"
Sasuke: "KAKASHI! <burning sound effect> My eye!"
Not that I agree with the theory that Madara is Danzou.
Last edited by poopdeville; Sat, 10-18-2008 at 01:27 PM.
LOL... damn dude... that made me laugh so hard for some reason.
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