Sonnen tests positive for PEDs at UFC 117. Most likely this means no rematch with Silva which is great. I didn't want to see another 5 rounds of Sonnen laying on Silva and becoming the champ (if he could avoid getting subbed yet again).
Now it will be more likely Belfort gets the title shot after he annihilates Okami, or they scratch the Okami fight and Belfort fights Silva.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I want that rematch...I don't believe that fight was anything short of rigged. As much as I keep watching it, it looks like Silva was succumbing to attacks he easily defended against in a myriad of other fights, only to 'miraculously' slip in a triangle hold? Not buying it, at all. I could easily be wrong on this. Either way, a rematch should clarify it in my mind.
"You are not free whose liberty is won by the rigour of other, more righteous souls. Your are merely protected. Your freedom is parasitic, you suck the honourable man dry and offer nothing in return. You who have enjoyed freedom, who have done nothing to earn it, your time has come. This time you will stand alone and fight for yourselves. Now you will pay for your freedom in the currency of honest toil and human blood."
- Inquisitor Czevak
I prefer to think MMA fights are not fixed, just some fights happen the way you expect (or don't) like it's scripted but really it's just how that kind of fight would go. Plus Silva said he wanted to sub Sonnen in honor of his masters the Nogueiras, and he didn't get the chance until late in the fight (or he waited that long to make a point).
Silva had a rib injury going into the fight and Sonnen is a wrestler. Everyone predicted that would be the style of fighter to give strikers like Silva, Machida, and even Shogun problems (Evans will try to LnP Shogun in the next LHW title fight), and that's exactly what happened.
I doubt it happens because of the steroid scandal, but if they do rematch and Silva isn't injured, expect him to KO Sonnen early next time around.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Did you guys watch UFC 119? Crocop/Mir was a fucking train wreck. If they switched the prelims with the main card it would have been a nice PPV.
They showed 3 awesome fights in the prelims (I missed Mitrione/Beltran but I heard it's a snoozer). 119 is further proof the UFC needs better match-making and possibly cross-promotion with Strikeforce. Right now SF's HW division is stronger than the UFC's HW division. SF's LHW division could give the UFC's LHW division a good test too.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Mitrione/Beltran was pretty entertaining despite their lack of technical abilities. Probably 2nd fight of the night.
See that's where we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't like watching two unskilled mooks slug it out, no matter how much it excites the idiots in the crowd.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I watched it but it was a boring event. I didn't watch any preliminary fights. But i would have loved to watch CB's and Mitrione since i always love to see how the TUF fighters are doing/improving. And i heard CB was great out there (didn't he get Submission of the night?). And I'm one of those idiots (although i still enjoy watching 2 people that are technical more) so i would probably have enjoyed Mitrione.
Serra, Sherk and CroCop-Mir was boring and stupid. I had big expectations of Serra IF he went to the ground. But either he didn't or he couldn't (looked more like he didn't really wanna go there) and it feels like he threw any chance of winning out the window.
Same with Sherk. Why don't he ever go to the ground anymore? And i mean really go to the ground. Not a lame takedown attempt and possibly a successful one and the back up again. Is he so stupid that he believes his standup to be superior to his ground game? Or is it that he was so roid-pumped before that he can no longer get people to the ground?
And both Mir and CroCop sucks every time i see them. CroCop refuses to throw his legs anymore. And Mir forgot he knows BJJ. I can understand Mir, that he feels like he has improved his striking, and because of his cocky manor he likes to beat people with what is supposed to be his weakness. But when you go 2 rounds and go in to the last round and notice it ain't working why not do a takedown. Do something different. But instead they squeak out a win on decision which is no different then lay-and-pray.
It's become to common that feared ground specialists just stand and slug, even when it's shown that it don't work. Is it just me or are many established fighters getting worse/fighting stupid?
UFC 119 wasn't great. I watched the prelims on spike nearly live so I could ffwd through commercials. Then I watched Dream 16 that had recorded the previous night, and dl'd UFC 119 when I woke up in the morning!Originally Posted by FairyGirl
The torrent was recorded from ESPN HD... which brings me to my bitching about UFC ppvs. They give them away to all of these markets around the world who just need basic cable to watch them. I can't afford to spend $50 every month to order ppv's...and it just seems crazy that you can watch it live on espn if you live outside of the US.
That's the UFC's plan for expanding into other markets. Give it away free in places with small fan bases in order to attract more viewers... they wouldn't pay for it anyway. You don't have to spend $50/mo, just $5 cover and money for beers at a sports bar. There are other alternatives, so you don't really get to bitch.
@TwisT: I'm the exact opposite. I hate watching most TUFers, and am too happy to see them disappear from the game. Most of them don't deserve to be in the big show (or even the other major shows). They should work their way up like all of the other great fighters. Instead they just show up to a casting call where they are the best of the worst and get a chance to make it big. Besides season 4 (all returning vets of the sport), has TUF ever produced a true champion? Nope.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
No no true champion. But competitive with other people in the middle and top? Definitely. Many don't deserve staying or getting a second chance even after being on a losing streak. But there are many of them that deserve to be there more then people that have worked their way up. And i used to watch Pride and a little K1 back in the day, and i ahve watched a few Strikeforce. But lately i haven't watched anything other then UFC because i usually find it boring with the other shows. Much because you don't feel that their level is as high, and also because i don't like the ring and rather want the cage. So for someone like me to be able to see someone truly progress as a fighter, TUF is ideal. Here i can see people that often only know one aspect of MMA and they first develop on the show and get to prove themself against others. And sometimes people that truly suck and will disappear after a few fights in UFC advance because their style was a good match against someone else that might have been better and a much better learner. That's the way it is when a lot of them only know one aspect. But some of them are better learners then others, and are really strong in one aspect and they actually start improving other aspect once they get picked up by real camps. Can make a list.
Season 1: Koscheck, Diego and KenFlo. All of them where great in with their ground game. And once they got camps they started to improve their standup. Today they are all competitive fighters and truly deserve to be in the UFC IMO. They are above a lot of other fighters in their class. Even though Forrest won and even became a champion for 1 fight i always felt he was in the UFC because of the entertainment value (when he goes all out and is reckless), and not a top contender so don't count him..
Season 2: Only one i feel have made something of himself is Rashad. After all he has improved a lot and he has only lost once and that was against Machida. Joe Stevenson is a great example of someone that where extremly stong in one aspect for a TUFer and doesn't seem to learn anything new.
Season 3: Michael Bisping. He is right there on the edge of top contender and only being a competitive fighter.
Well this post is gonna get really really long if i ahve to list every season, but you get my point. Many of them are strong enough to face the lower tier of they class. And those that improve by the time they have enough wins for the middle tier usually win more then they lose and by my standards deserve their spot. Those that don't improve start falling out and eventually disappear. Some get way to many chances. But it's not only a sport but also a show and some get to stay because of the entertainment value. Another good thing about TUF is that you get more invested emotionally. You start to like some, and start to hate some. But is a good thing. Because you feel more invested in their fights. Just as you would with hockey, soccer, football, basketball and baseball. You have your favorites that you love watching. Like Machida and Rua. I felt nothing for either fighter so i didn't really care who won. I wanted Rua to win in the end because it feels like he has a more aggressive and violent style, and his coming fights would be more entertaining then Machida. But emotionally i felt nothing and therefore looked forward to Koscheck vs. Paul Daley more since i love to hate Koscheck.
I see your side of it too if you watch more then just UFC. That you want to see people that dominate a "lesser show" move up since you might have followed their progression for a long time. But for me that only watch UFC nowadays, love TUFers.
Speaking of TUF.. just remembered it comes on in 30 minutes. This is the first season I've watched since S1. It's been pretty entertaining so far.
The first season is the only season I saw in full. After that it's been pretty blah. I wish I had seen season 4 with all of the veterans getting a second chance. I get tired of all the whining, childishness, and lack of dedication of the amateurs in the other seasons.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Did anyone else see Aldo demolish Gamburyan? They hyped up Gamburyan but really he's no competition for Aldo. No one at 145 is. Aldo needs to move up to LW and win the WEC LW title, then to the UFC LW division. Aldo vs Edgar would be one of the greatest fights in history.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
anyone saw ufc 121? I knew cain was the better fighter, however i feared brock's size would dominate the hw divison. was overjoyed when cain won but disappointed at brock's performance and how fast the fight ended. dispite sheild's poor performance at 170, i believed he should've still had a unanimous decision over kampmann yet a stupid judge had kampmann winning for some reason. theres no way shields can beat gsp at his state atm. diego sanchez fight was awesome. disappointed in tito's performance. and wtf at gonzaga totally thought he would destroy schaub. future predictions for ufc hw division :cain>jds, carwin>nelson, maybe brock> a top contender, winner of carwin vs brock fights cain
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It was a good show but a night of disappointments for me, except for the main event. I called it before the show started to a bunch of casual fan white guys in the sports bar, and they laughed it off saying Brock would destroy Cain. They didn't have much to say after the fight, except one guy who swore Brock would definitely get a rematch and do better the next time. I didn't break it to him that rematches for one-sided ass-kickings with no controversy do not warrant rematches, though the UFC would do it just for the money even if it was undeserved.
Otherwise all of the guys I picked to win did not win except for Hamill. Thiago gassed even though he was clearly technically superior on the feet and the ground to Sanchez who again demonstrated his lack of skill and why we won't ever be a champion in any major promotion. Gonzaga and Kampmann both showed why they will always be gatekeepers and never champions... they do not have the mental strength to succeed. Kampmann is 1000x times better on his feet than Shields yet he tried to submit a gassed Shields and couldn't even do that.
And Tito showed he is done (like we didn't already know that). What remains is to see what ailment or affliction he reveals had him at 50% for the fight, and another fight against Chuck Liddell to keep them both active and make the UFC some money.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
The UFC card was pretty good. It's awesome to see a dude like Cain dominate such a gigantic powerful guy like brock who you think nobody can beat.
Tito said something about fighting Chuck in the post fight presser and Dana white immediately said No. He didn't even let him finish talking, he was just like NOOO. not happening.
Jake shields.... IDK.. I really hate weight cutting and what not. Koscheck beat Paul Daley to get his fight @ GSP that's coming up.
Shields beat Daley I think it was 3 fights ago, then he beat Robbie Lawler, then he dominated Dan Henderson @ 185 who was one of the next in line to fight anderson silva. I think they should have brought him in @ 185. He cut 20 lbs right before weigh ins, which is just stupid and it showed in the fight. If that is the guy who is going to get the next 5 round title fight... that could be very disappointing.
I like jake shields but that was a horrible fight for him. If judging was more standardized he could have lost based upon the 2-3 times he was nearly KO'd w\ strikes from Kampman.
I thought the card kind of sucked. Of the 6 fights they showed, 4 were decisions and the other 2 were less than 1/2 a round each.
Cain vs JDS will be amazing.
Dana has said no to stuff before, but if Chuck sells it and it means $$$, it will happen.
I typically hate weight-cutting since it normally is just a means of getting a size/strength advantage over your opponent which is antithetical to martial arts. In this case, Shields cut weight to fight in a different weight division. I don't understand why he waited until the day before the fight to cut the weight. Guys like GSP start cutting weight 2-3 weeks before the weigh-ins. It looks like Shields fights the winner of GSP/Koscheck, if for no better reason than that no one else deserves a title shot.
Please stop saying he "dominated" old man Hendo. He laid on him and controlled with top control for 4.5 rounds. Not really a domination. If he had any great skill, he'd have subbed Hendo. I see GSP destroying him with strikes since GSP tends to fight guys where they are weakest, and Shields' standup is nonexistent.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
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