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[itadakimasu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc-To...layer_embedded - Hitler thought Shogun won.

I rewatched the first couple rounds last night and Machida could win the first round. But I think the leg kicks should count for something. This is basically the way that Forrest Griffin beat Rampage Jackson to take the belt away from him.

It sucks because with Machidas last 2 wins everybody was excited because we thought there was going to be a super dominant champ @ 205, but shogun exposed machida and machida no longer has that untouchable mystique about him.

[mage]

Cecil Peoples (MMA judge) gave a good explanation of the decision, just google it.

Also, here's a good explanation from a kickboxing expert's view

http://www.headkicklegend.com/2009/1...-at-machida-vs

[Animeniax]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc-To...layer_embedded - Hitler thought Shogun won.

I rewatched the first couple rounds last night and Machida could win the first round. But I think the leg kicks should count for something. This is basically the way that Forrest Griffin beat Rampage Jackson to take the belt away from him.

It sucks because with Machidas last 2 wins everybody was excited because we thought there was going to be a super dominant champ @ 205, but shogun exposed machida and machida no longer has that untouchable mystique about him.

Shogun didn't expose anything. People were over-hyping Machida's style but he hasn't fought certain types of fighters so there were still questions about his dominance. Shogun is no slouch. Getting beat by Shogun doesn't expose anything about you, it just shows what a badass Shogun is.

Super dominant champs get tiresome. GSP, Anderson Silva, Brock Lesnar... people watch their fights hoping to see them lose. I'd rather see a competitive division. In the LHW division, the best days were when Chuck and Randy fought for the top spot. A Machida vs Shogun trilogy would be amazing.

[Animeniax]

Cecil Peoples (MMA judge) gave a good explanation of the decision, just google it.

Also, here's a good explanation from a kickboxing expert's view

http://www.headkicklegend.com/2009/1...-at-machida-vs

You probably don't want to use Cecil Peoples' judgment to support your claims. The guy is either inept or corrupt. While I support the judges' decision in Machida vs Rua, Peoples' judgments in other fights has been atrocious and morally questionable.

The best thing that could happen because of UFC 104 (besides a rematch of Machida vs Shogun) is Cecil Peoples losing his reffing license.

[itadakimasu]

hopefully both fighters are much more aggressive in the rematch.

I just started a thread on an mma forum and it instantly turned into a flame fest because nobody wants to agree with me that weight cutting is pointless and hurts mma.

i think the only logical way to look at it is that the weight classes are there to match up fighters based on weight, and alot of fighters cheat the system by dropping 10-20lbs in the sauna the day before the fight so they weigh in lighter @ the weigh ins but then they balloon back up @ fight time. I just think it's stupid and that it takes focus away from fighting.

[Animeniax]

I thought they were both plenty aggressive. Even Machida vs Evans was less eventful. Shogun and Machida engaged every round and landed numerous strikes with some grappling too.

I agree about the entire weight-cutting mess. Guys like GSP, Anthony Johnson, Jon Fitch, Nate Marquardt, Tito Ortiz, Forrest Griffin, etc, all cut a lot of weight to fight in their division. They gain back maybe half of that weight by fight time, mostly in water and nutrients.

Shogun walks around at almost 230 and weighs in at 205. Machida is around 215 and cuts to 205 for fights. Forrest Griffin supposedly weighs 240 when he's just a couple months from a fight, and Anderson Silva around 220. Anthony Johnson is the worst, cutting from 220 to 170 for fights. That's why he didn't make weight at 104. So basically he was a MW fighting Yoshida who could make the cut to LW. That's some BS and defies the spirit of martial arts.

[Animeniax]

Fedor just smoked Rogers in the 2nd round with a huge right hook.

[6Zabuza9]

saw the fight yesterday as well. rogers did better than i expected

[itadakimasu]

Yeah, it's a win/win for Rogers. He's 10-1 and his only loss came in a good showing against Fedor. I think he broke his nose in the first 15 seconds of the fight... that cut was nasty.

I was just watching a fight from Sengoku that was in japan saturday morning, and during one of the fights the announcer Michael "The Voice" Schiavello says " He's taking more hits than Nick Diazes Bong !!!" made me LOL

[Animeniax]

It's been shown that the cut on Fedor's nose was an existing injury and Rogers' jab only opened up the cut. Supposedly Fedor's brother Aleks busted his nose in training camp a week or so before the Saturday fight.

[itadakimasu]

ah. did they cover that baby up w\ super glue and makeup?!

Animeniax : check this out :

http://forums.mmajunkie.com/viewtopi...weater#p505208

i lol'd the first time i saw it.

[Animeniax]

Yeah he's gotten a lot of flak on online forums for that sweater. You'd think these net nerds didn't have their moms dress them with all the talk of sweaters and fashion concerning Fedor.

[Genma]

Been a fan of MMA for a while now, but it's gradually starting to wear on me. It's become too much of a sport. I miss the Pride days when people would come out in full costume then soccer kick their opponents into oblivion.

Now we got guys like Jake "Lay and Pray" Shields who just want to win, rather than put on an interesting show. Miller would have dominated him, and almost did if it wasn't for the bell. $5 lost on that one. :/

At least Fedor made that card worthwhile, though I doubt any Fedor fan was even concerned during it. I remember my friend leaned over and was like, "So, how long until Fedor pulls an armbar or KO?" while Fedor bled profusely from his nose. I guess that's what makes Fedor the best... he looks like he's losing but somehow pulls a win.

It's sad he won't be joining the UFC. Both sides are to blame, Dana White for not respecting fighters and M1 for wanting to co-promote. We'll never see Fedor at his true potential... because, as much as people will argue it, he's not fighting people at his level. Brett Rogers is practically a Kimbo Slice of Strikeforce. He's good, but one dimensional.

Anyways, enough of that rant. How do you see the Vera/Couture card playing out this weekend?

[Animeniax]

In Shields' defense, he has 0 standup ability and Mayhem Miller has excellent submission defense, so all Shields' has is LnP.

Fedor fans were worried when Rogers had top position and landed some heavy shots on Fedor, but we also knew the armbar attempt was coming. Still, great way for Fedor to finish the fight. There's an awesome gif of the KO punch floating around:



I'm not too excited about 105 this weekend, but MMA is MMA. I think Randy will win by decision or Vera will win by TKO.

[itadakimasu]

A free ufc card is always nice. I'm hoping couture wins but I like Vera too. I re-watched the couture vs noguera fight that they replayed last weekend on spike to try to counter-program strikeforce... that was a really good fight. I'd have to refresh my memory a bit but it's probably in my top 5 fights of 2009 for sure.

Rumor has it that strikeforce is going to be signing Andre Arlovski and Bobby Lashley. Arlovski could fight on the December 19th strikeforce card.

[Animeniax]

Did you miss the Strikeforce card while watching UFC reruns? If you did, you missed a great fight between Fedor and Rogers, and Mousasi kicked ass again. Shields got a lot of flak for laying on Miller, and Werdum and Silva had an ok fight.

[Animeniax]

Funny mashup of Taylor Swift and Kanye at the VMAs starring GSP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozYTYLEer2I

[Animeniax]

The Strikeforce event on Saturday was a bust. Dana White is laughing his ass off at the terribleness of the event. 3 belts on the line, 3 snoozefests with a lot of wrestling and positional control and not much else.

The best part of the show was a mini-brawl at the end that CBS decided to air because it was the only worthwhile bit of the entire show. The problem is, most people had stopped watching by that point so they didn't see it.

[TwisT]

Well Dana White recently had his own disappointment with Silva vs Maia. He was seriously pissed at Anderson Silva for that. I lost all respect for Silva myself for that. And the GSP vs Dan Hardy fight before that wasn't that fun either. Looked like GSP wanted to end it with a submission so badly that it ended up going to the judges. You could clearly see he could have finished that fight anytime he wanted to if he had gone used us old game with ground and pound and used his mixed fighting. I believed he had the better standup. And even if they where even with GSP being able to mix with standup and ground so easily he should become very dominate as Hardy would have gassed early.

Anyone watching season 11 of TUF?

[Animeniax]

I dispute the statement that GSP has better standup than Hardy. GSP has kicks, but Hardy's boxing is superior and he can take a punch while GSP's chin has been questioned and is a large reason why he uses wrestling against any capable striker (which seems to be everyone these days because GSP takes it to the ground against all his opponents).

Even with crappy main events, at least a few of the fights in each UFC show have been entertaining. Strikeforce's entire aired main card was boring uncompetitive wrestling matches. Unfortunately MMA's viewing base is still mostly casual fans looking for exciting punch-em-ups and quick, easily digestible short fights. Having all 3 main card fights go to decision was the worst possible scenario for Strikeforce. The mini-brawl would have saved the show from complete failure if people had stuck around to see it.