MMA is getting huge..
How many fans here ?
Anybody else see Kimbo Slice get pwnd this weekend?
MMA is getting huge..
How many fans here ?
Anybody else see Kimbo Slice get pwnd this weekend?
Yeah, I was one of those people that was rooting for him, not cause of hype but cause of his demeanor.
Wtf Kimbo, 14 seconds? It wasn't some sucker punch, or a cocked uppercut. His weight drop might have something to do with it. But then again, weight doesn't fix a glass jaw.
I was thinking they may have stopped it too early ... but his legs were straight out stiff as a board.. some ufc fights get stopped way too early. I watched this other strikeforce one on friday and the one guy was nearly knocked out but they let it go and then he ended up winning.
i knew he was bound to lose because his last fight went into the 3rd round when they stopped it (because the guys ear started bleeding alot) he fell to the mat and was just completely drained.
any favorite fighters? i'm kinda looking forward to seeing urijah faber next month... he's a beast even though he just weighs like 140
what does his weight have to do with anything? >_>
Just like in boxing, a heavy weight will murder a feather weight if they are on the same skill level. Someone with a heavier natural built tends to have more mass and muscle to push around hence the extra weight.Originally Posted by darkshadow
or to put it simply Big > Small
Ek = 0.5mv²
I'm horrible at physic so forgive me if i make a mistake. Kinetic Energy is determined by 1/2 mass x velocity square so while most of the force would derive from speed, mass is also an important factor in the equation. Also unlike a moving object, the speed of a punch from a human body is limited.
It would be ideal then to try to find a balance and maintain your weight as high as possible without sacrificing any speed in return.
True, but its also true that a welterweight (140-147lbs) pro boxer punches with 10x the force of an average joe(165-176lbs). The reason why? average joe maxed out with a punch at 15mph, the welterweight was throwing em at 32mph.
Yeah but we're not comparing a pro boxer to an average Joe. The conversation was about how he would be a lot more dangerous if he was in a higher weight class while retaining his speed.
edit: at least that is what i assume Itakidamasu is implying in his comment about the boxer weight.
Last edited by Dark Dragon; Tue, 10-07-2008 at 01:53 PM.
No, i was just giving an example of how speed is a very big factor.
This was in response to itadakimasu saying he was a beast, but only weighs 140lbs.
Just pointing out that weight has little to do with that.
It doesn't really matter how big you are, a 32mph punch from any grown man ( or woman ) on the nose, chin or even temple and liver, will hurt a lot if it doesn't disable you from continuing the match, which happened to Kimbo, though in this case the punch was prolly slower, but had more weight attached to it.
You guys are losing sight of the original point. Most people would see the 140lb stat and think of a little guy that they wouldn't have to worry about. But a professional fighter at pretty much any weight will destroy a bigger guy who is not a pro fighter.
Kimbo showed he is the sham all fight-enthusiasts claimed he was. Seth Petruzelli is a 3rd-tier heavyweight (who I think dropped to 205 for his original fight, so he fought Kimbo while underweight) and he dropped Kimbo with a short punch. Even Lesnar is a more legit fighter than Kimbo. I'd have loved to see Lesnar vs Kimbo, the battle of the two possible shams.
Lesnar has somewhat proven he is not completely incompetent though, since he has wrestling (not pro wrestling in this case) skill. I'd like to see how he takes a punch though.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
i think Lesnar would destroy Kimbo to be honest.
No argument there, even before Petruzelli beat him.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
lesnar could be the UFC champ very soon... i think he's going to win.... what a beast.
I think alot of people can beat kimbo, it was even worse after i saw the replay of the fight. It looked like he barely hit kimbo and he went down.
I want to see Fedor vs Lesnar, a battle between true skill and sheer size.
I think Lesnar could be UFC heavyweight champ if he does the same thing to Nogueira (or anyone else he fights) as he did to Herring. Really though, he caught him with an amazing punch and it was all downhill for Herring from there, with Lesnar using his wrestling skill to keep him pinned and on the defensive the entire fight.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Did anyone see UFC90? That was not how I expected Silva vs Cote to end. I'm glad Koscheck got beat soundly by Alves.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I watched it... alves is a beast, but at the same time koscheck earned some respect by not getting layed out. I thought the sherk / griffin fight was possibly fight of the night w\ the alves / koscheck
As far as Anderson Silva... i guess I'm a hater and really didn't want to believe the hype.. but he's just rediculous. As little attacking he did, it was crazy the way he would move in for the attack. The way it ended was a little disappointing. Cote did take some serious shots and stay in the game.
I think I'm going to order 91 so I can see the brock lesnar / randy couture fight
Alves is tough but I don't see him beating GSP. Koscheck made a mistake trying to stand with Alves. I've never liked him since his TUF1 days, too arrogant and his hair pisses me off. I was happy to see him lose his first pro fight against Drew Fickett in 2005.
We get UFC pay-per-view events free where I'm at, it keeps the troops' morale up. I think Couture will be in big trouble against Lesnar. I'd love to see Tim Sylvia vs Lesnar.
What I don't get is why it's a title fight since Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira became the interim heavyweight title holder when Couture left the UFC last year. I also don't get how Lesnar gets a title shot after only 2 fights in the UFC, the first of which he lost.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Wow, just saw Lesnar beat Couture. Too much size and power on Lesnar's side. If someone had Couture's skills but a little more size and could take a punch better (Gonzaga, Silvia), Lesnar will have trouble.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I actually think Lesnar is almost unstoppable except for the Ju-Jitsu part. The only thing i can see that can actually beat him is Ju-Jitsu grips because as for the pure wrestling Lesnar dominates. And for standup i think he is probably one of the best. Silva i have never seen as that good of a fighter. He is solid and has a long reach, and has a pretty good takedown defense and hight but that's about it. Against a guy like Lesnar i think his takedown defense would be worth little. And he would no longer has an advantage in the reach. Not in power either. I think Lesnar would dominate Silva. Gonzaga would be an intresting matchup since he has power but i think he would be dominated too. The think that could save him would be his Ju-Jitsu. To grab an arm or an ankle from the ground. And Lesnar showed here that he has the stamina to go the distance even when pressured the entire time.
First thing you think when Lesnar entered UFC was another Bob Sap. But the fact is Lesnar actually have skills, agility and stamina to go along with his big size. The things he lacks he make up for in size and weight. And if he just learns better defense, better boxing, and to avoid the dangerous Ju-Jitsu stuff, he would become the most dominating fighter in the heavy weight to ever set foot in the Octagon.
The only heavy weight i could see to be the clear victor against Lesnar would be Alexander Emelianenko. And sadly he doesn't do UFC. The biggest threat right now in UFC would be Nogeria, Frank Mir and maybe Gonzaga because of their Ju-Jitsu, and the only striker i can see as a threat would be Crocop (if he could show us what we all know he really can do, not the stuff he has shown us in UFC so far).
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