he compresses air which will lead to heat -> heat will lead to a dust explosion
edit: oh I misunderstood you guys ^^ you were talking about whether he is able to controll heat directly or not?
btwthe spark starts the dust explosion because of the high heat and temperature reached in the spark... so it's the same cause -> heat.Dust Explosions aren't necessarily started with heat, they are nearly always caused by a spark
Last edited by KrayZ33; Wed, 01-14-2009 at 08:25 PM.
You don't need fire to start a dust explosion, we've been over that already. Any spark will do just as well, which he can create a lot easier by smashing things into each other. Air doesn't have a flash point anyway (the % of nitrogen prevents it from autocombustion), so Accelerator couldn't create fire from air.
He can control the flow of heat, he told MISAKA that verbatim. But he can't create heat without doing something first, or manipulating an already existant temperature differential.
ya I edited a bit... its the heat not the fire
edit: oh gosh I shouldn't try to write something when it's late, I'm going to sleep sry
and when you say "he can control the flow of heat"
you don't mean the direction right? He can only prevent it fully, accelerate it or slow it down right?
Last edited by KrayZ33; Thu, 01-15-2009 at 05:04 AM.
He can control the vector, which by definition has a magnitude and a direction. He can change the direction however he wants. He can also change the magnitude, which in this case is energy in the form of heat. Speeding or slowing the transfer of heat is a trickier matter, since it is a factor dependent on the characteristics of the two media in question.(Difference in temperature, conductivity, specific heat etc).Originally Posted by KrayZ33
I suppose the rate of transfer of heat can be expressed as a vector....but really the top is what he's after. For his purposes, Accelerator doesn't need to control how fast he warms something up. He just needs to fry it.
For that, amount seems more of a factor than rate.
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If nothing else, he should be able to control EM radiation perfectly. Though he didn't, because the ball of plasma wasn't black. But then again, maybe he let some light through to see what he was doing...
Considering that, you should be able to kill Accelerator with a strong enough laser pulse at the visible range, as he's not guarding against light (or he would be blind). Some EM controlling esp could thus defeat him immediately. Actually a decent magician could as well as I suppose they could summon a fancy beam of light with some spell.
If teleporter girl could get a hold of him, she could drop him off in space. Have fun manipulating vectors there
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Too bad she can never touch him and be able to do that.
What if rather than a specific form of vector (ie light, heat), Accel can program his defenses to simply deflect anything that might pose a danger to him, such as a magical light beam? Just because normal light passes through does not necessarily mean that a lethal light attack will be ignored by his defenses, at least I haven't heard it stated so.
Peace.
When I was an insecure little kid, I thought about variable protection magic... and took into account potential overloads etc...
Regarding light, you can always think of an acceptable domain, and anything stronger being just reflected.
That"s a lot of thinking put into that discussion over such details, but it's fun too.
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Since the series seems to be making a distinction between science and magic, I don't think that's the case. "Nothing dangerous shall pass" sounds anything but scientific.
If you put it in such vague terms, yes. But if lets say "Anything above X amount of energy shall be reflected" with X being a dangerous level, then it is scientific. This should not be a problem since he can freely control vectors. Filtering is nothing magical.
Peace.
Well - i was saying about speed of random movement of particles that make the object. Just increase their speed - that converts to increased heat, which is sum of kinetic and potential energy.That's all well and good, but he never said he can change states of energy. He can mess with the kinetic energy of something all he wants, but he has shown he needs to introduce that energy into the system before he can manipulate it. That's why he taps/kicks objects he wants to hurl, throws/flicks objects before they go warp speed, and stomps the ground when he wants to propel himself or make those fun ground explosions he kept using on Touma.
Internal energy isn't directly related to kinetic energy. Friction converts kinetic energy to internal energy, or one of the three forms of heat transfer: conduction (i.e. friction, which he can indirectly influence), convection (which is can actively control) or radiation.
However, he can only control convection of fluids (which convection entails by definition).
This is elementary heat transfer
Sorry Ryll - you are wrong - here is the proof.
I'm physics freak so please bear with me.
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That would still leave the problem that the amount of energy required by a laser beam to blind him would be less than the amount of energy he receives from the sky on a sunny day. But I suppose it would spare him from instantly killing beams of light.
he would just touch particles and change cells that make his eyes to -blast "mode" and speed up the process - they would copy and remake his eyes. he can stay in perfect health forever.
I'm no expert in biology - so i might be wrong here.
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I have to confess I haven't got the slightest idea of what you meant. But one thing is sure: If he tried to mess with the vectors of the building blocks of his own body, he would only do more damage than good.
Only thing he would need would be another body to throw.If teleporter girl could get a hold of him, she could drop him off in space. Have fun manipulating vectors there
He would then create a force and manipulate it to where he chose to
Then again he would still have no oxygen and would fry when falling to earth...
I'll post AoShen's fansubs since Eclipse is taking way too long. Hope it's ok.
Xvid Version
HD Version
Eclipse's channel explains the situation like this:
I'll wait for Eclipse. AoShen cares little for QC, and for one reason or another, I want to watch this series in decent quality.
As long as a subbed version is out, it's ok to create the thread.
Anyways, I'll wait for the Eclipse version.
Must resist temptation to leave office early to download...
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