Toaru Majutsu no Index

[RyougaZell]

I certainly didn't find the dialogue dragging, but perhaps only because I like to see the chemistry between these two. It seems kind of out of place that they showed scientists wanting to learn about Mikoto's electricity control for medical purposes, only to have the following airtime dedicated to her being cannon fodder for Accelerator. Judging from that, I'm inclined to think somehow Touma can convince them that the previous experiment is the more worthwhile or something.

Other than that, looking forward to an action episode next week (hopefully).

Actually... I think they just told her that so she would accept having her DNA copied. That is... they never intended to user her cells to help people.


One little fact from the episode no one seems to have catched on.

Mikoto said that the central machine... that is... the satellite... was destroyed and no one knows how. My guess its that it was Index's spell from the 1st arc.

[David75]

Actually... I think they just told her that so she would accept having her DNA copied. That is... they never intended to user her cells to help people.


One little fact from the episode no one seems to have catched on.

Mikoto said that the central machine... that is... the satellite... was destroyed and no one knows how. My guess its that it was Index's spell from the 1st arc.

I noticed it, but didn't mention it as for now it didn't seem to be of much importance, eventhough it affected Mikoto's choices and strategy, by actually helping a little bit

[Kraco]

But then again, if Accelerator cannot control the speed of the object, and Touma does not have any active attacks aside from punching, it seems like it will end in a stupid stalemate, unless Accelerator is smart enough to bring a gun with him.

How is that a stalemate? Touma walks to Accelerator and punches lights out. End of story. Accelerator would never have a chance since he would be expecting Touma's punch to be reflected, but instead it would hit him full force. Unless the dude is not only powerful but also very intelligent and cautious and never takes anything for granted, suspecting foul play all the time. But honestly it didn't look like that when he fought the clone.

[shinta|hikari]

The assumption of that statement was a direct match with full disclosure, meaning both are aware of each other's powers. I did not account for underestimation or outside help (like Mikoto assisting Touma) since I was merely comparing their powers.

[Xelbair]

Just cast a spell, intense heat on spot where he is, if he reverses it it will be extreme cold and he will freeze, if not he will burn, then let Touma finish him off.

[David75]

Just cast a spell, intense heat on spot where he is, if he reverses it it will be extreme cold and he will freeze, if not he will burn, then let Touma finish him off.

as far as we know, his power changes a direction in a vector. I guess your idea doesn't fit with what we know now.

[Xelbair]

He said something about changing any property while fighting one of Sisters.

[Kraco]

Just cast a spell, intense heat on spot where he is, if he reverses it it will be extreme cold and he will freeze, if not he will burn, then let Touma finish him off.

That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Heat doesn't have an opposite (reverse value) in cold. The starting point is absolute zero with no thermal energy. Anything up is heat, and anything down doesn't exist, because if it did, the absolute zero would be moved there by definition. So, you can't take some arbitrary temperature perceived as hot by humans and then take another random point of considerably less heat energy and name it the opposite.

[Xelbair]

depends on what point is zero, in kelvins - true, but meybe there is temperature lower than absolute zero - but we haven't found it(something similar to anti-matter). if you use Celsius scale(or Fahrenheit) it will have effect that i mentioned above.

[shinta|hikari]

Wow, you completely missed Kraco's point.

Absolute zero means zero energy. Even in Celsius or Farenheit there is an absolute zero point, where it cannot go any lower. Only the label changes.

[Buffalobiian]

Just cast a spell, intense heat on spot where he is, if he reverses it it will be extreme cold and he will freeze, if not he will burn, then let Touma finish him off.

It would work normally if you think about it like this:

Example: Projectiles
1) Projectile hits skin with "x" vector
2) Skin absorbs the vector, projectile has zero momentum
3) Skin redirects vector back, projectile fires with "x" vector, but in a different direction (-x vector)

LIkewise.
Example: Directed Heat
1) Heat hits skin with "x" vector
2)Skin absorbs vector, heat has zero direction
3) Skin redirects vector back, heat moves in the opposite direction.

Accelerator won't freeze because while he's removing heat from his skin, he has the heat there already, just with zero direction (hence harmless as it doesn't penetrate the skin). Hence, if the air temperature on the surface of his skin is 24 degrees C, The introduction of heat would elevated it to 24+ "x". His skin will remain at body temperature, since he absorbs the vector, hence stopping the heat from moving inside of him. Then he reverses the heat, and 24+ "x" - "x" becomes 24 again.

[Xelbair]

You all seem to miss the part of my post. Possibility of discovering similar to anti-matter anti-energy, which would allow this to happen.

[Kraco]

You all seem to miss the part of my post. Possibility of discovering similar to anti-matter anti-energy, which would allow this to happen.

Disregarding the fact this anti-energy of yours doesn't sound anything similar to anti-matter (which produces our regular energy in annihilation), I don't think it's really relevant to this series to scrap our current view of the universe just so that Accelerator could turn heat into cold... Why, he just reflected bullets as they were and didn't turn them into anti-matter bullets like your theory would assume. He didn't even produce positrons out of electricity.

[David75]

You all seem to miss the part of my post. Possibility of discovering similar to anti-matter anti-energy, which would allow this to happen.

Alas, science is trying to be very precise. Eventhough we are in animeworld, the shift in rules tend to remain true to the first set given.
Unless they state differently, for the moment they never mentionned anti-energy.
And that thing doesn't exist in reality, when anti-matter does.

[Nadouku]

I'm guessing that's why Accelerator's hair is white? His ability seems to also block melanin, which would explain his ghostly appearance.

[Xelbair]

Ok you made your point, but if he reverses vector and there is no value lower than 0 then its like lest say heat of 10000C gets reversed x -1 = therefore we get -10000c but there is no such heat(absolute zero is -273 or -272 celsius degrees? will take -272) so we get 9728 degrees lower than absolute zero. but there is no heat lower than absolute zero therefore we get to take this value (-9728K) and make it like |-9728K|, so we take absolute value, which gives us 9728K, but accelerator would still be changing its heat "vector", it will continue until it reaches absolute zero. therefore he will freeze.

Don't kill me for it - i just stopped playing GH4 drums... and drumsticks eat our minds.

[Buffalobiian]

Okay, let's do this:

1)Accelerator's skin: 0 degree C
2)-Accelerator's skin: 0 degree C ..............<<<--------------9000000 degree heat (vectored towards him)
3)Accelerator's skin: 0 degree C (9000000 degree)(heat has no direction, simply adsorbed at skin)

....[insert vector change -9000000]

4)Accelerator's skin: 0 degree C ..............9000000-------------->>>(opposite direction)



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I think where you're getting confused, Xelbair, is the difference between vector "change", and "opposite vector materialization".

Accelerator changes an existing vector, therefore the magnitude already exists. Something goes to him. He stops it. He sends it back.

Your idea would mean he makes whatever comes to him disappear, as if nothing happened. Then he recreates an opposite vector from existing material, then fires it.

Heat works the same way as if you threw a rock at him.

Rock flies at him
Rock stops at his skin
Rock flies back.

He doesn't make the rock disappear, then recreate a rock from his skin to reflect, leaving him with (body mass minus rock), just like your freezing concept of (body temp minus heatblast).

[NeoCybercoin]

Instead of trying to explain it so accurately...isn't it easier to just say that he pretty much reflects anything? XD

[Xelbair]

well i mean not throwing fireball at him, but summoning fire where he is, therefore it have no movement vector, and i didn't remove body temperature - i just changed from celsius degrees to kelvins.

[Buffalobiian]

Heat will always have a movement vector if it's touching something. The transfer of heat from one medium to another itself is already the vector. The summoner mightn't have created such a vector, and intended the heat to simply be there, but by touching another medium (eg skin), heat is conducted away, hence a flow of energy, therefore, a vector.

And since it's a vector, Accelerator can resist this flow of heat, transferring any heat from the surface of his skin to whereever it came from, be it the ground he's standing on or the air around him.

I talked about the "removing body temperature" thing because you mentioned freezing