Toaru Majutsu no Index

[Nadouku]

Completely different from the discussion at hand but the whole vampire thing, don't think they ever went through it in the anime but the necklace that Aisa is wearing works as a kind of counter to her deep blood ability. Basically she doesn't need to worry about killing vampires anymore.

I never thought of that before. Well, in episode 10, you are prominently shown the necklace, but I didn't think that it would bear any significance to sealing her Deep Blood powers. Now, with this post, I think twice about it. Perhaps that's why vampires aren't going near her and dying like in the past anymore.

[Buffalobiian]

Thanks for explaining that Ryll. I (now) agree that it's a valid theory, considering the quantum mechanics behind Kuroko's powers.

[poopdeville]

You say that as if any of you knew any quantum physics.

[Buffalobiian]

You say that as if any of you knew any quantum physics.

If you have a suggestion, feel free to share it.

I don't deny my level of understanding isn't on par with some of the other members we've got. I'm simply saying that if this is true:

Kuroko is using the uncertainties inherent in all particles due to Heisenberg's Principle

ie - Kuroko's power is the ability to use this Heisengerg's Principle to her will, then it does open up the possibility that she can control momentum.

Also, I don't necessarily have to agree or believe that's the case neither.

[Kraco]

My opinion is that these esp powers are by default narrow but powerful rather than broad. It differentiates them from the magic that is a collection of spells for any purpose. Though I'm not saying this needs to be the case, but I'd initially think so until proven otherwise.

And like I said earlier, if you have a look at the video, those spikes had no initial velocity but started to drop quite lazily under normal gravity. So, Kuroko would need to be able to control their acceleration without even touching them, when they are already out there. I hardly think that's the case. Even Accelerator couldn't do that.

[David75]

the other possibility is that those spikes are very heavy. While on her, they carry no weight because her power maybe transfers the mass somewhere, but once teleported, they become dangerous tools.

But that's a bit weak. I guess that if she has those spikes, she can do more than just have them use gravity, or that'd lead to a very limited use. I can't see the use of having those spikes if you're not able to throw them at incredible speeds in any direction. So I guess she knows a way using her power, or she'd use something else as weapons.

[Buffalobiian]

the other possibility is that those spikes are very heavy. While on her, they carry no weight because her power maybe transfers the mass somewhere, but once teleported, they become dangerous tools.

But that's a bit weak. I guess that if she has those spikes, she can do more than just have them use gravity, or that'd lead to a very limited use. I can't see the use of having those spikes if you're not able to throw them at incredible speeds in any direction. So I guess she knows a way using her power, or she'd use something else as weapons.

Reason they fell so fast....since it's some advanced scientific city, I speculate they are really heavy and have some form of accelerating function.

If say, they're relatively simple, you could say they provide acceleration only one particular direction. Strapping them on upside down would mean it counter acting against gravity, making them reasonably light, if not almost weightless.

If you teleport them in the reverse orientation, then they add to gravity's acceleration. Add the fact that it can be made of dense material, you can obtain the penetration force depicted in the episode.

That was one of my initial (and still standing) thoughts too.

[darkmetal505]

My opinion is that it's an anime.

Physics doesn't apply.

[Ryllharu]

My opinion is that these esp powers are by default narrow but powerful rather than broad. It differentiates them from the magic that is a collection of spells for any purpose. Though I'm not saying this needs to be the case, but I'd initially think so until proven otherwise.

My understanding is while the forces they are dealing with allow them to do very broad things, they are only able to do so much given their brain capacity. This narrows the scope of their abilities. All of their (except for that self-rezzing bastard's) abilities can be explained with minute enough terms, but they can only affect the world in one way.

The frog doctor explained that Accelerator's greatest gift was his computational ability. That's a huge part of the reason why his ability extends as far as it does. Mikoto for example, can use the railgun while the Sisters can't because they are unable to detect the minute differences they'd need to control even with the goggles. Mikoto does it subconsciously.

It's like a highly specialized set of muscles, combined with muscle memory. Esper's probably could extend their abilities out further, but it only works if they can handle the increased load. It would be like learning to curl your tongue into a 'W' shape when you weren't born with the capacity to do it.

Magic, like you said, starts out very broad, but it takes more time and more sigils to do the more complex tasks.

[Nadouku]

[AoShen] Toaru Majutsu no Index - Episode 22 AVI: Download
[AoShen] Toaru Majutsu no Index - Episode 22 MKV: Download

Looks like AoShen changed their "no HD" policy to "whenever we feel like it". Apparently, it was just a troll because of fans that kept pestering them about it, even though they said it wasn't a troll, so it's almost a similiar approach to Dattebayo.

[Eclipse] Toaru Majutsu no Index - Episode 22 AVI: Download
[Eclipse] Toaru Majutsu no Index - Episode 22 MKV: Download

[Archangel]

There's really no point in starting this thread with the AoShen version Nadouku, especially since they decided to drop the MKV format.

Just do as the rest of us and wait until Marik posts the links.

[Buffalobiian]

There's really no point in starting this thread with the AoShen version Nadouku, especially since they decided to drop the MKV format.

Just do as the rest of us and wait until Marik posts the links.

While I'm in total agreement with Archie, I've decided that it's best we didn't discriminate between fansubs, regardless of quality.

Fansubs and raws? Definitely, since the forum is mostly populated by non-Japanese speaking people. Even if they watched the raws, they (we) wouldn't be able to participate in discussions.

Good or bad fansubs, on the other hand, are entirely up to us. We can be comfortable with speedsubs, or be patient for better quality releases. Once a fansub is released though, discussions can start right away, and I don't think we should limit people to when they're allowed to do it based on our preferred release.

That said, Eclipse banzai!! (Index usually comes out in 24~28hrs for me)

[Nadouku]

There's no problem with updating the first post with Eclipse, and there are some people that watch the AoShen version, as horrible as they are, even though they never comment on the episode after watching it, which I don't mind.

[Archangel]

I guess so

Even I watched one of them when eclipse took like 2 weeks to translate it

Does Index have a regular release date by Eclipse or is it always sort of random?

[David75]

I guess so

Even I watched one of them when eclipse took like 2 weeks to translate it

Does Index have a regular release date by Eclipse or is it always sort of random?

That link will help you find your answer:
http://eclipse.no-sekai.de/projects/index

[Xelbair]

It is released usually near 10 p.m. (+1GMT) on Sunday.

[digitalrurouni]

Eclipse's releases are quite stunning I have always thought. Even after grabbing 720p bluray versions of the 1st 3 episodes from Thoranime, the visual quality was not that diffferent!

[Marik]

[Eclipse] Toaru Majutsu no Index - 22 (1280x720 h264) [14526419].mkv
[Eclipse] Toaru Majutsu no Index - 22 (XviD) [14CA1087].avi

[RyougaZell]

Interesting episode.
I knew something was off with Kazakiri... I kinda thought she was either a Vampire, for Himegami to be on guard, or a majutsu being hunted by Sherry. Yet I never expected her to be just... that... a being formed from leftover esper energy.

The scene at the videogames annoyed me. It was clearly not Touma's fault he saw them like that. They themselves teared off the curtain. Magic Wikipedia does it again...

Oh yeah. I did love when Mikoto finally got to know the Magic Wikipedia. Their reactions were priceless. Yes... the world is coming to an end... I enjoyed a Magic Wikipedia scene.

I know Mikoto isn't in Judgement... but I don't understand why Kuroko took her away. She first hand knows the power of a Level 5 Esper.

This show needs a 2nd Season...

[Ryllharu]

Interesting episode.
I knew something was off with Kazakiri... I kinda thought she was either a Vampire, for Himegami to be on guard, or a majutsu being hunted by Sherry. Yet I never expected her to be just... that... a being formed from leftover esper energy.

I am no fan of characters like Hyouka. I'm very tired of the "sudden traumatic realization they're not human (or human anymore)" characters. I thought I had enough of them from Shakugan no Shana and the various clones of that series. Moreover, the ultra-timid personality to go along with that annoys me to no end. If you're going to be something like whatever she is, it would be so much more enjoyable if she was only pretending to not know what she is. I much prefer an evil flash in the eyes when they're found out before going back to faking innocence.

Total letdown on the whole Hyouka mystery.

This arc is seriously lacking Kanzaki and Stiyl.