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Episode 5 - gg
watched 4 episodes in a row now.
I have no luck picking anime.
it's becoming painfully clear that (at least) one of the things Bud said is true, I don't really care which one.
and that's the 2nd point of objection... there are so many characters around... Luke, Tear, Jade, Ion, Guy, Anise, Van, six god-generals. crazy scientist, ninja-kid, the Mohl guy, the princess, Luke's father.
that's almost twenty of them, in four episodes! and we still didn't get any real explanation about how they got to the other kingdom, or why is Guy there? or why is tear trying to kill van?
Also, I don't think we've seen any two characters exchanging more than two sentences with each other before someone interrupts them...
the rest is the usual complaints about Luke being an horrible character, the cat thing being obnoxious and that nothing makes sense ("hey, this guy stole an apple in front of our faces! he must also be the one who sneaks around to the warehouse and steals all the apples!"). and other users already said what had to be said.
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You know the important distinction between Batman and me? Batman is fictional. In real life, there isn't always an alternative.
I think that's the point of having a 26 episode series... to answer THOSE questions throughout the series.Originally Posted by Death BOO Z
nope.
there's a difference between question the viewers should ask (luke's memory, Guy's dead girlfriend, all the other crap) which can answered at some future point in the end of the plot.
but if the characters ask it, then it should be answered. Don't Luke and Tear care they have been blasted through half a continent? doesn't anybody question Guy being there? (he's a top ranked servant of the royal family,and he goes traveling while the heir is missing?) didn't Luke want to know why tear is trying to kill Van?
those are questions they asked already, inside the series, and then decided not to give out any answer at all (seriously, I'd be satisfied with "I don't know"\"It's a secret" but don't ignore it all together!).
and in a few episodes, they'll start talking about it, but by then, it will be stupid, since they have ignored the obvious for so long already, so why start asking now?
also, they got DVD-burning rom. voice activated magical earth airships (which they use to chase petty criminals?), what the hell?
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You know the important distinction between Batman and me? Batman is fictional. In real life, there isn't always an alternative.
That's because you're not grasping all the information they have given you. Tear doesn't have to question WHY they were blasted across the continent, she already knows, and she mentioned it in the first episode. She might not have the detailed specifics yet, but she knows pretty much why. She explained it to Luke, but Luke is a complete idiot ignorant to the world.
They already questioned Guy, and he gave a BS answer. By the way he delivered his BS answer you can tell he's hiding something that will be addressed later on.
The reason why Tear wants to kill Van has already been explained too. They haven't gone to full detail about it, but they already made mention of it. It was apparently a "misunderstanding" because some people went and destroyed or attacked her village, people that are supposed to be under his command... but apparently they went there under someone else's orders.
With all that said, all those concerns should be addressed through the series. If they fail to do so, then yeah, it would be complete suckage, but you're simply bringing crappy reasons to rationalize your apparent dislike to the series.
I get that you might not like the plot or the characters or the character interaction... but I think all your other complaints are pure crap.
Last edited by Munsu; Sun, 10-26-2008 at 08:37 AM.
right, she said "it was magic", he said "what?" and then they kept going.
but anway, we've been through this in the dragonball thread, so I'm stopping now. it's not going anywhere.
more points to rationalize my dislike:
it's generic. right to the core. even the OP song is generic, down to the angle that Jade puts on his glasses before blasting monsters.and the earth crushing down under the guy who crossing swords with Luke.
most animes keep the generic formula to the 2nd episode, and the first episode is filled with something original.
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You know the important distinction between Batman and me? Batman is fictional. In real life, there isn't always an alternative.
I guess she mentioning that an hyperresonance occurred and then calling him a Seventh Fonist is no big deal. As I said, she knows why it occurred. And Luke has been shown to be an ignorant character, a result of his sheltered life. This has nothing to do with the series not giving answers to some of the questions posted, especially in the beginning of a series. Who cares about being accurate, right?
But yeah, I guess we can leave it at that.
Last edited by Munsu; Sun, 10-26-2008 at 09:04 AM.
A lot of background info on this one... it's hard to distinguish friends from foes and Luke is being manipulated left and right. He's completely gullible at the moment. I'd like to see his reaction when he causes a mass catastrophe, I don't know if he can get any more pathetic than he currently is. Or maybe that might cause him to grow some balls.
I agree. It's due to Luke's infant state of mind that it's hard to judge who are the bad guys, who the good ones. He pretty much believe's everything he hears - if he somehow manages to understand it. Rarely have I seen an anime with a more stupid main character. Before his cowardice became more than evident I actually liked his straight-forwardness, but that was only before he was proven a complete idiot.
Waiting for him to cause a catastrophe due to his lack of wits is indeed a big part of why I keep watching this series anymore. It's really too bad because otherwise there are some nice characters and settings.
I understand why people would hate a character who is naive and gutless, but those qualities are quite acceptable when one understands Luke's situation. He really does have an infant state of mind, meaning he only has memories of the past 7 years, and lost not only memories of his past experiences, but everything he knew, including how to talk (as he said so himself), maybe even eat solid food and the like. I really can't dislike a child for acting like one, simply because they can't really help it (much like how Tear started being nicer to Luke in this episode).
Van is obviously more of a father figure to Luke than anyone, and it would be more absurd to suggest that he should distrust and disobey a role model considering his situation.
I just wish there is more of tear in this show.
Peace.
I could almost go through with it... until the final scene.
yes, after being told that Luke had to learn everything, including speaking (and probably control his exits, eating solid food, dressing himself up) his inexplainable stupidness became explainable (which of course, doesn't explain why everyone else is an idiot). I could even ignore the fact that his goddamn window in his room doesn't have steel bars ot a lock (you'd expect them to do this confinement thing in a not half-assed way).
my anger from the previous episdoes vented away, to what seemed like a smooth sail of a series about a boy finding his super abilities and saves half the world by destroying it with a girl.
but then...
"Yes, I'm the one who kidnapped you and traumatized you enough you'd forget how to speak... will you follow my advice from now on?"
Luke is a big, fuckin', amazingly naive stupid idiot.
it's not even funny anymore.
this goes beyond the level of 'regular' idioticy and blocked memories, it practically counts as physical brain-damage, he should be put in a strait jacket and kept in isolation. (yes, I know that they tried it before, but they didn't really put their hearts into it).
also, they got DVDs... why?
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You know the important distinction between Batman and me? Batman is fictional. In real life, there isn't always an alternative.
Easy:
It's not everyday you get to catch such an idiot. Having him on a DVD is a way to spread mass laughs in ToA world. There's no reason only a few people should laugh their heart out alone.
I'm still waiting for this show to be interresting. Designs, base story, quality is ok. But it's quite boring as it is.
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You can parallel it to kidnapped children, who start thinking of their kidnappers as parents. The Stockholm syndrome if not mistaken."Yes, I'm the one who kidnapped you and traumatized you enough you'd forget how to speak... will you follow my advice from now on?"
Luke is a big, fuckin', amazingly naive stupid idiot.
it's not even funny anymore.
With the big reveal, he used words as "want", "need", "help", "I'm the only one", "save you". "trust", etc. etc. to manipulate him. I think it has more to do with what has been done to his brain, and how Van has surely invested a ton of time influencing Luke's thought process than simply Luke's naiveness.
Then you have to consider that he was the only one to bring up the lines that were unsaid about the prophecy, he was showing that he had nothing to hide, that he was the only one being truthful... he even risked his relationship by coming clean about the kidnapping (which he turned into a rescue attempt)... it's all a ploy. And you'd be surprised how many times this works; I know I've used it a couple of times to get what I want by confessing something voluntarily in a way that it doesn't seem as bad as it was, in order to gain someone's trust. It's quite easy. Welcome to Con 101.
I'm waiting for the show to become interesting myself... I see the potential, but they haven't followed through yet. At least they've invested enough time on the characters so far so that they won't have to waste much time on it when the shit hits the fan. I just hope the shit hits rather soon, and the next episode looks like it'll be it. Allies all seem to be choosing sides, and that should cause trouble especially with the looming war.I'm still waiting for this show to be interresting. Designs, base story, quality is ok. But it's quite boring as it is.
Last edited by Munsu; Mon, 10-27-2008 at 10:41 AM.
They decided not to animate a minor scene that explain why they didn't need to try very hard to keep Luke locked in. The layout of Baticul city is like one giant mountain that is divided into several floors. The only way to move from one floor to the next is by using 2 main elevators that is guarded at all time. In the game, when you first arrive at Baticul, Luke made a comment "So this is what Baticul looks like" implying that he had never once visited the lower areas since all of the noble live on the top floor along with the king.
I think this kind of confusion will happen very often, especially since at certain point they are combining several scenes into one and therefore change the location of where certain things happened.
The more episodes of this anime i watch, the more I'm convinced that this anime is made as fan service for fans of the game. They are skipping a lot of minor details that make the main plot points less confusing or annoying. I also do not see any chance for the skits (the main source of the game humor) to get animated, especially since they are trying extremely hard to keep the main content packed as tightly as possible.
Last edited by Dark Dragon; Mon, 10-27-2008 at 10:50 AM.
Well, having not heard of Tales of the Abyss until this anime, I have to say the minor details don't seem to matter that much regarding the overall story. Maybe I'd feel differently had I played the game.
As stated, quite a bit of background info this episode. Enough to start me speculating. Seeing both parents again, you'd notice his hair is a completely different shade of red, while the entire family is almost universally maroon. We've only seen one other character with hair like that: Asch the Bloody.
Add that to the fact that Luke has no memory of anything. Normally, memory loss happens to things like people's faces, past friends, or blackouts between certain time periods. Language loss, much like forgetting how to walk, is rare, if not almost impossible. (Technically, your brain establishes new synaptic connects between neurons when you learn to walk or drive. Such physical connections are very hard to unlearn.
What am I thinking? I'm thinking Luke never had these memories in the first place.
Then, the new information about these things called isofons- imitations that emit the same frequency as the original. Same fingerprint. However, current attempts have been unsuccessful. Supposedly. That voice (which really sounds like Asch) doesn't think so, however. "You who have the same power as me. Show me!"
Then you have the intent. Why would anyone want to clone someone else? Van just told us. Luke is able to hyperresonante by himself, making him powerful. A weapon. Now if you can steal that weapon, and replace it with a replica, what does that make you? Powerful.
Pure speculation based on a few clues, but the pieces do fall in place. Hopefully, the LukexAsch meeting next week will give us more to work on.
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Edit: masa said something similar before
Last edited by Buffalobiian; Mon, 10-27-2008 at 11:43 PM.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
this show has an excellent plot (i think). but it's buried under sparkly animation and herky-jerky battles and scene pacing. i love that there's so much going on, and that things will get even more crazy soon enough, it seems. i like the deception going on, because it seems there are only a few people you can count on to tell it like it is.
but the whole show is a constant "ho-hum" for me. it's not interesting, somehow.
i think i'm going to simply shut down on this one, wait a few months until I get home, and then play the game. I think that'll be much better. In fact, yes, that's exactly what I'm going to do. See yas
Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".
Don't be lame... give it one more episode. I think the next one looks to be a turning point.
Huzzah, very little Meiu in this episode! Lots to think about. I was completely taken aback by Van's confession of kidnapping Luke. It does shed some light on why Tear might be trying to kill him though. I feel like Tear is a fairly straightforward character, and will fight for what she believes is right with all of her energy. Van on the other hand seems to have hidden motives and agendas. I wonder who would win in a full-out battle between them, as might have happened in the beginning if Luke hadn't interfered.
The clone theory seems plausible. The only other explanation is that someone deliberately destroyed all of Luke's memory, essentially wiping his brain clean of everything. Normal amnesia due to trauma can't account for what happened to him. It's hard to say what's possible with their level of magic and technology, since we've only seen a few instances of it in battle.
Isn't the outcome of a Tear vs Van battle obvious when Van obliterated an enemy with just one gesture (and lots of fancy effects)?
Peace.
But back then, Van would have died since he was paralyzed by Tear's song. It could happen again.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
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