Tales of the Abyss

[David75]

Oh they insisted on how Luke is was a perfect copy of Asch, down to the last details.
They kept repeating it.

However they're wrong.
He's not a perfect copy:
-He didn't possess anything from Asch personality or memories
-He may have a dark future if his formicry transformation fails as in the first "tryouts" meaning the copy has a defect somewhere, meaning he's not a perfect copy.

So at the time Asch was copied Luke was already different, and the difference grow stronger as time passes.

Animation quality really did drop this ep. Nothing interresting too.

[Dark Dragon]

Oh they insisted on how Luke is was a perfect copy of Asch, down to the last details.
They kept repeating it.

However they're wrong.
He's not a perfect copy:
-He didn't possess anything from Asch personality or memories
-He may have a dark future if his formicry transformation fails as in the first "tryouts" meaning the copy has a defect somewhere, meaning he's not a perfect copy.

I think you misunderstood what they meant by "perfect replica". Luke is a perfect replication of Asch in a cloning sense, they didn't literally just copy Acsh down to his personality. Luke genetic makeup and fonon (which is similar to a finger print) matches Asch perfectly but things like personalities and memories that resulted from upbringing and not genetic are not carried over.

[digitalrurouni]

I thought it was a good episode. Enjoyed it. There is hope for that Luke. Though Asch does rock lol

[Xelbair]

Lower graphic quality, especialy at hair-cutting scene is due using scene from game(it was animated there too) i think, they look nearly identical, also it could be encoding problem.
Also in game Asch had something that made most people hate him when they were playing as him.

[Marik]

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[Kraco]

First Luke was a jerk and then he became a pussy when he wanted to change. Gee... Couldn't they possibly have come up with something positive for a change, eh? I actually liked his former self better than this new one, although I admit this new one has more room for development, as I have a feeling he will build a more solid character once people start to believe in him. Though normally people believe easier in people who already believe in themselves.

[KrayZ33]

Hmmm, how do I say this... I believe the "change" was done a lot too fast.

It felt a bit like Luke: "Hey I'm changing my attitude now, ok?" , Tear: "Alright I still think you are stupid, yet I like you.. lets get it on!"
I was really confused about how everyone changed their minds and what not.
It wasn't well done.. the last 2 epsiode had a horrible feeling to them in the background.
I don't have problems with the story itself, but the way it's shown is just stupid.


and isn't it a bit ironical:

Scene 1
"Ion got kidnapped! we must help him!" - Old Luke:" I don't give a crap about him, he's not important, I must see Van!"

My opinion: "Man, Luke is arrogant, stupid and childish."

Scene2
"Ion got kidnapped again! we must help him!" - New Luke: "We must help him, let us be quick!"

My opinion:" Oh man, fuck that Ion... how stupid is he to get kidnapped so often?"


And the more the group runs from place to place, the more I think they are on a quest full of nonsense.
To be honest, the whole "it has been foretold" thing in the middle of everything is making me brood too.

As I said, I've got some problems in pointing out the problems I've got with the show at the moment... in general: everything feels odd... all the mini-quests on their journey are extremely pointless, at least they make it look like that, which is probably the biggest problem for me

I expected a lot more from the second "let's rescue Ion and the princess" scene, but they just went in... Luke killed a guard (which wasn't really unimportant itself but it wasn't done "epic" enough) and went out again and I was left staring at the screen wondering "what did they just do there and what was the point of showing it to me (;o_o)"

I know now, that Luke is able to kill someone if he has to, he knows that will always be hated by someone and it's impossible for him to be liked by the whole world and seems to accept it.

but it was made so lousy imho...


Yet the funny thing is that I'm still interested in the ending of the show.. I wonder how everything will solve out, how Luke will turn out and what the story wants to "tell" me.

[KitKat]

Ah drat. And here I was hoping that we'd get to have Asch as a main character for a little bit longer. I like that little sentimental moment he had with the princess last episode, even if it only was a split-second. It shows our hard and calloused Asch still cares, and that his past is important to him still.

I'm not sure about this new Luke either, but now he's a person who is teachable and willing to listen and grow, so hopefully we'll be seeing some more positive changes in his character. And, occasionally, for the briefest moments, I find myself forgetting to loathe Mieu and thinking that he is cute.

[shinta|hikari]

I played the game but I forgot what that is. Can you pm it to me? The Asch thing I mean.

[Everon]

@Kray: This is based on a game. Imagine a 2 to 3 hour long mindless monster and oracle guard fighting between each environmental change. :P

All this commentary about Luke's personality change is odd to me. He's got the mind of a seven year old. A seven year old who's realized he's killed thousands of people. I'd say he's in a fairly fucked up predicament and I don't expect him to handle things with grace and ease.

[Kraco]

He doesn't have a mind of a seven years old. There are plenty of physiological, and endocrinological, changes that alone would make him quite different compared to a real seven years old. Plus even if he was sheltered and spoiled, he surely wasn't treated like a real seven years old but like a young man who went through something catastrophic and thus a lot would be forgiven. Not to mention he didn't even act like a real seven years old but like a completely spoiled brat his age with no responsibilities and few expectations would behave anyway.

Really, if you had military experience (though I'm sure quite a few of you are bored of me referring to it), you'd see at the age of 18-19, under abnormal circumstances like the military, some guys can still be totally like kids while some are almost like regular adults. So, the absolute age only plays a partial role in defining how mature you ultimately are. If fake-Luke had been raised strictly and properly like a noble's son should have been, he would be like Asch without the bitter edge. Instead, he had parents obviously not suited for nobility.

[shinta|hikari]

Indeed the absolute age only plays a partial role in defining maturity, but it is a big role nonetheless. Having only seven years worth of experience, most of which you spend learning how to talk and walk like a child does, is a big handicap in becoming more mature. While some do it faster than others, it does not change the fact that you need time to do it, and the more you have, the better the chances of growing up mentally.

[Kraco]

Yeah, I'm not denying that. But I believe you can compress the first seven years worth of learning in much less years later on. Well, I admit I exaggerated and he probably couldn't be as mentally mature as Asch no matter what, but surely a lot better than now if he had been raised properly. The situation now, though, is that his own parents pitied him so much that they apparently decided not to raise him at all.

[shinta|hikari]

Now that you have clarified it, I agree with you completely. It is for that same reason that I dislike the princess. Like Guy said, she was part of the reason Luke turned out to be a spoiled brat, yet she does not seem to realize it. In fact, now she is treating Luke cruelly for all the wrong reasons. She should hate him for naively following Van and killing all those people, but instead, she looks at him with disappointment because he is not the real Luke and is merely a clone. Even the other characters (except Asch for the obvious reaosns) have not discriminated against him as such.

[Everon]

Go back to the scene where Natalie looks away from Luke. Its not dissapointment in him, she's just doesn't know how to apologize for everything.

Guy and Natalie already had a conversation about their responsibility last episode. They know they raised Luke with certain expectations. She seem a good enough person to know she messed up.

On top of that, there's probably some emotional confusion. She spent years caring for Luke. Its not like she can suddenly pretend it never happened. Or be angry at him for not being the original.

[shinta|hikari]

She felt disappointed, and then felt guilty that she thought of Luke that way, so she looked away.

[Idealistic]

I don't care if Luke's "change" was a bit fast. I'm just glad it happened now. It was getting to the point where I wanted to drop this show simply because I can't stand the main character.

[Munsu]

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[Kraco]

Luke certainly became a nice guy suddenly. Only one or two of very short glimpses of his past personality in this episode. He even treats the Mieu creature well. Unless his the old personality was all acting, it would be almost unrealistic if he doesn't crack every now and then. The stress from suddenly acting so polite and meek all the time must be enourmous.

Not much else to say about this episode except that the Necromancer's past was quite interesting.

[Munsu]

Luke certainly became a nice guy suddenly. Only one or two of very short glimpses of his past personality in this episode. He even treats the Mieu creature well. Unless his the old personality was all acting, it would be almost unrealistic if he doesn't crack every now and then. The stress from suddenly acting so polite and meek all the time must be enourmous.

Not much else to say about this episode except that the Necromancer's past was quite interesting.

Yep... I like how the show itself criticizes Luke's change of personality. It's like they know what we as viewers must be thinking seeing this development. For some reason I always enjoy when shows do this.