^^ Just caught up too. This show is pretty cool so far. I like the concept of the robots/ruin(just rusting) thing. Though I want to know why destroying the moon was the cause of this, or was it just a metaphor or something.
But man... The world seems so lonely. Nothing but barrens.
i think the barren world fits very well with the mood in this show. after all, whatever the Ruin is, if it's bad enough to destroy robots, you know that it must have caused equally destructive ends for all plant life. We had our first non-robot appearances last episode, and not only did the human not seem to be coping very well with the new world, but that lizard was almost so tough that you can't imagine anything but the hardest and toughest creatures survived...
also, they didn't destroy the moon (although, interestingly, there has yet to be a moon shown in the sky in a single episode) The person who Casshern killed was named Luna, and people are saying that because he killed her the Ruin started.
Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".
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Yeah, it does fit well. I didn't mean it as a complaint, but more of a I can't imagine what it would be like to live like that.
I don't think Ruin affects humans. The world is probably like that because the robots had no use for living nature and raped everything. Perhaps when they tried to fight against the ruin in larger scale before giving up. Humans were struggling to begin with, I reckon, under the rule of the robots, and with the world looking like that, they can't easily recover. Casshern seems to be a cyborg of some sort, which might explain why he doesn't rust like the full robots. Or killing Luna somehow left him immune to witness his own folly as a punishment for all eternity.
Although not the same, both are affected by the ruin... ruin is simply a consequence because of lack of resources. Casshern simply has the best of both worlds... a body that doesn't rust like robots because it's capable of regenerating itself, and a body that doesn't require nutrition like that of humans. So no matter how you look at it, the ruin doesn't affect Casshern, but it does affect humans just the same... just not the same way as it does robots.
But as you say, the human downfall was already in effect before this whole ruin business came forth.
By the way, in case anyone missed it... the chick robot in this episode was called "Sophita". They clearly didn't mention her name enough during the episode, so you guys might have missed it.
Hmm.... So, you think the ruin is just a general term for the collapse of the robotic civilization and not a concrete term for any specific ailment? I kept thinking it was a nanobot or whatever infection because it seemed to affect the robots pretty fast and considering how dry many parts of that world look like, general rusting of metals should be slow indeed.
Yeah, that's right bitches. It's a blow by blow!
For those who don't know, this is basically me watching an episode and reacting as I go along, generally stopping the video as I do so to write comments. I only do this for shows that I sincerely think are specially well done and deserve up close looks. I might rewind a bit to check facts, but it's all one long initial viewing, basically.
00:05 - Luna looks downright scared, and her gasp adds on to the opening scene in episode 3, where her voice was tone and words were noticeably softer and less threatening than in the initial version of the scene. And Casshern doesn't say anything this time either. And he's covered in blood. White eyes = berserker mode.
00:40 - God, this has to be my favorite OP ever to be almost completely without motion. I think there's just a second or so of movement aside from the initial eyes opening.
02:00 - I love this character already! She's like Stellar, without the angst side dish of suck.
03:05 - NAME DROP! Guy sounds like he was a big old important retainer in the old world...
03:40 - Ah, what a deliciously delivered threat. Too bad he'll probably never get to cash in on it... Gotta see who this guy's VA is...
04:00 - There is something up with ripples in this episode. Too deliberate, the shot right after the OP end and the opening shot right after the episode title appearance... Also, no mistake that the fact that this liquid is blood red is going to add layers to whatever analogy is going on here...
04:45 - what I really like about Sophita is that she won't attack an enemy who doesn't want to fight her. It's rare to see someone so immersed in bloodlust who has such a solid concept of what a meaningful battle actually is.
05:30 - "Because fighting is living"
07:10 - I'll assume that thing sticking up in the sand that just decayed was a building/machine, because, if not, then that's the first time we've seen a natural object be ruined.
07:40 - First deliberate shot of the series to focus on Casshern's sword sheath. Also, it has been just over five full minutes since the last musical track played. Five minutes of an action anime, with no music.
08:10 - Speaking of things that get hot. Someobdy get some Rule 34 on Sophita uploaded to Hentai Traders, STAT!
08:25 - "We'll never understand each other."
10:00 - This guy. Agenda. Don't understand it.
11:00 - You could fill an entire hentai volume with some of the sexually charged phrases they have in this episode so far. Love Sophita's happily surprised, "You're hard!"
11:10 - Just noticed, both of these two are left handed.
12:05 - Yeah, that's right. He's got the backstory!
12:35 - Agenda. Understood. This guy made me laugh, in a positive way.
12:55 - This is very strange, as Casshern speaks as if he knows who this guy is. But hasn't he said he has no memories?
14:20 - Paging, Doctor Kevorkian. Bring your sharpest instruments and some kickass swordsmanship to Room 12. Paging Doctor Kevorkian
14:25 - more than one ripple at a time. Although the source is unknown, the opening image of the episode comes back vividly, the first sound that of the sword sending out a single ripple despite the sword remaining motionless, as if sheer emotion driving through the metal caused that single ripple to ring out. Then the first scene with Casshern opens with a single droplet sound and an ensuing ripple(but why two?), source unknown. And now this scene ends with two ripples heading toward the rocky shore where the two characters stand together.
14:45 - Well, you know what? Looks like everyone who said they'd be able to stop the Ruin if they devoured Casshern has solid reason for those beliefs.
15:50 - Can't pass the night peacefully. Metaphors as heavy as they've been all episode, is there any reason to hesitate reading sexual connotations into this late-night romp?
17:25 - Ripples. Count 'em.
17:35 - "Because that's what you want."
17:55 - You counting those ripples?
18:10 - Penetration has been achieved. But I have a bad feeling about this for Sophita... maybe because she's not wearing any protection?
18:55 - Wow. Unbelievably awesome stuff. Succinct and unfiltered and great. Casshern is able to find solace in this small control over his destructive powers, even though he admits that it's because she didn't have any real killing intent in her.
19:08 - I'm counting those ripples, and I'm surprised. This one seemed extra thick, almost as if two had become one... 08:25 denied.
20:00 - "Your feelings still got through"
20:15 - "You tried to save me while you fought"
20:48 - Three ripples? Three? One quickly following the other and the innermost much slower. I'm at a loss for this one, but all I can think of is Luna. Casshern's first scene had a double ripple too, right?
21:15 - Casshern smiles.
21:35 - Again, only two ripples as she makes her exit amidst drifts of ruin.
21:50 - "I learned of one life...in this... world" +1 that, folks, = 2. And I'm not counting Friender because where the fuck is he this episode?
End thoughts - Excellent episode. Best blend of action and thought so far, I feel. The fights were downright beautiful, and it's the first time we've had battle between opponents of equivalent strength. As far as I can tell, not a single of the three main people in this episode died, (although maybe Sophita's disappearing into a breeze of Ruin flakes symbolizes her death) Only beef is that Casshern confronted someone who displayed knowledge of him and didn't bother to ask him about the whole Luna thing. Sophita is wicked hot. Tell me I didn't read too much sexual inneundo into this thing? Also, hell, I think the guy who taught me to study film would be pretty pleased that I caught that ripple analogy so early on. Amazing what you can get out of a course stuying Westerns... which reminds me, lack of background music. I think I counted 5 tracks (Sophita's theme being repeated included, OP and ED not included).
Looking forward to a fluid re-watch of this episode... Might even get some things out of it that are just impossible from stopping so damn much (i swear, every time i do one of these blow-by-blows, it takes a goddamn hour, at least... why do i write so much?)
Episode preview thoughts: Angst girl, loli girl, Friender, revelations, oh my. You want backstory? Looks like it's a comin'
Reaction to others: I think Ruin is specific to robots in this series, but, as Bud pointed out, it is essentially the same thing that all humans encounter in aging.
Looked into Sophita's name (btw, someone referring to themselves in the third person like that, so much, is considered a very girly way of speaking in Japanese.) but all I could find was Sophitia from Soul Calibur.
Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".
Not saying that. This disease that is affecting robots is just that they're rusting... they call that Ruin. The only reason this really affects them is because there is a lack of resources in the world to fix their "disease". So, I'm just saying that both humans and robots are being affected by this lack of resources... humans go hungry, robots get ruined. But in the end, they're both being affected by the same thing. So just as robots call their disease ruin, the world is in ruin... and the cause for the robots' demise is also causing the human's demise (but as pointed out before, the humans were already on a downfall even before this particular problem started).Originally Posted by Kraco
If there were resources, robots wouldn't care about the ruin... they'd rust, but they would simply get fixed and go on with it.
But who knows, you may be right... maybe there's something that is attacking the robots per se. But I also think that the current state of the world (weather, etc.) is making the robots rust quicker than usual.
Last edited by Munsu; Mon, 10-27-2008 at 10:24 AM.
Um, so far i thought this was a fantasy-series. So you actually think that those robots die because of nano robots killing them? I wouldnt dislike such a more scientific approach.
I think Sophita's ruin is coming near. She certainly displays a lot of emotion and she cried quite a bit. Wonderful episode, I love, love this series.
"They call it 'The American Dream' because you have to be asleep to believe it" - George Carlin
was pretty sure that "the Doctor" in episode 2 said something about it being more than just rust and damage, but also that they're unable to repair or replace the damaged parts.
found it:
"Our bodies slowly begin to rust. They no longer accept spare parts or repairs. We can't build new robots either."
also, from episode 2.
"Something was spread over the world, and even the conscious-less earth... Well, take a look. With great vigor, everything turned into a lump of insanity.... This is the end result of a life-force without a consciousness. Not a single thing was completed after that. The ones who spread chaotic life across this world were the humans who created us."
It's not just that everything is breaking down. It seems to be a lot more. In fact, from the Story Teller, it looks like it's less about a lack of resources and more about a lack of something intrinsic and spiritual. Now, god only knows what that could be inside of a robot, but, since they cry, laugh, fall in love and all the rest, I guess it's not too much of a jump to say that there's some kind of 'spirit energy' thing missing.
And, sure, if you want to go and say spirtual energy or souls or whatever are "resources", then, fine, I can't argue with you then. But it's not just a lack of what we'd traditionally call 'resources'.
Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".
That's good then... I was having the impression that they simply had no spare parts to repair the robots.
But who knows, nothing you said there disproves that the main problem is the lack of resources. The reason they might not accept new parts is because they are rusty to begin with. They can't build new robots, well maybe because they don't have the resources to do so.
Or this can be just a case of the "chicken and the egg" dilemma. I'm not buying the spiritual energy or souls explanation at this moment in time. I'll deal with that when the time comes. For now, these robots are simply dilusional.
Along the same lines, the little girl in the first episode said she was repaired by the old guy if not mistaken...
Last edited by Munsu; Tue, 10-28-2008 at 08:04 AM.
Ok, just watched the four episodes. Most amazing series. And I don't care if Sophita never appears again... she is officially one of my top characters ever as of now.
yeah Sophita was pretty awesome. Just watched episode 4, and I must say I'm really enjoying this series.
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Ok, as I was reading this, I was like wtf? So I went back and rewatched episode 3. I did not see this girl at all. Then I realized I didn't watch episode 4 yet. And then throughout the episode you hear Sophita's name 100 times. Then I said to myself, that Munsu guy, what a funny guy.
Anyways, I also agree Sophita is an awesome character.
Wondering why Shinsen doesn't put both the Japanese and English karaoke in at the same time. At the moment they're alternating between each episode, English, to Japanese, then to English again, and etc.
I saw a live action movie which was called Casshern
is this the same? because that movie was really awesome!
Filler for min. character requirements...
The 70's series had Casshern being the hero dude who fought evil robots. So... Sins isn't really a remake, more than rather a complete makeover and format.
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