No Such Thing as the Promised Land
Shinsen Subs - Casshern SINS - Episode 19 - mkv torrent
No Such Thing as the Promised Land
Shinsen Subs - Casshern SINS - Episode 19 - mkv torrent
Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".
Absolutely loved this episode. I need to get my hands on that ending track.
Damn, when that new female robot attacked again at the end, Lyuze said "i will live", and the other girls body was destroyed, i almost cried...dont even know why....
Beautful episode.
It was a good episode. I was half the time unsure whether Lyuze was just dreaming of getting rusty or whether she really was beginning to get ruined. But I guess at least the piece falling from her neck was real. The hand probably wasn't as it was shown a few times, as if by purpose, after the scene and it bore no marks.
The relationship of those two certainly countinue pretty rough. It makes good scenes, though, when Lyuze seems to want to touch Casshern but is only able to when she forgets to keep herself in check, and then when she notices, she always jumps back like from an enemy. And Casshern certainly has no clue of what's going on.
This was a really beautiful episode, and it fit together nicely with the last episode. I was pretty skeptical about Lyuze at the beginning, thinking her to be just another angsty side-character, but now she's become probably my favourite character of the show. Casshern has some of the same inner turmoil and conflictedness as Lyuze, but to a lesser extent. Where he has been trying to find his reason for living, she's had to give up her reason for living, and it leaves her feeling pretty lost in this episode. Throughout it all though, Casshern was there to support her. The relationship between those two is awkward at times, but really sweet, and has an innocence to it that you don't see much in television. It's not an epic romance or a schoolgirl crush, but something deeper that says, "Even if everything is ruined, you are worth living for."
>_>
Ok, I'm done being all girly and emotional now. Who would have thought a robot anime would make me all teary-eyed?
kitkat said it, it's amazing how much Lyuze has grown from the "i want revenge for my dead family" archetype. and her interactions with Casshern are great because they're almost always a good blend of heart tearing emotion and steeled resolve.
also, the backgrounds in this show are ridiculously cool. you can really tell it's got people from Mushishi working on it even though the tone and color schemes are markedly different from that series.
didn't really care too much for Castor and Helen. thought we'd had enough of the throw-away bad guys in the first part of the show.
mfauli touched on it briefly too, but the part where Helen said, "I will not die", and Lyuze answered with, "I will live" really was a good scene, and I think it really does a good job of showcasing what i think is at the core of the Ruin and those who are either not being ruined and those who are.
Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".
Perhaps, but sounds a little bit too metaphysical for me.Originally Posted by masamuneehs
Broken Reflection
Shinsen-subs - Casshern SINS - Episode 20 - mkv torrent
edit- well, fucking hell. that was a downer. you sorta felt it coming, but, still... man... even i had to feel for old Dune at the end there. And he took it like a champ.
I think if there's one thing from this episode that we need to take away, it's what Ringo said Oji told her about how Luna heals people. She used to save people, but now she says she can't. Instead she is even destroying. Sort of like...
Oh, and did we just get some Braiking Boss development at the end there? I guess somebody has a little case of the guilts after all.
i loved when Dune reunited with Luna and his mask broke, that and the scene towards the very end with him were excellent. the fight was pretty well done too.
Last edited by masamuneehs; Mon, 02-23-2009 at 11:42 AM.
Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".
I'm beginning to wonder what Luna was like before Casshern killed her. Casshern himself doesn't remember anything, and basically built his image of her based on what people said, calling her hope and healing and all good things. But in the end we don't know what she was like. Maybe this Luna isn't so different in the end? I think that would make a rather interesting plot element. I can't also help but feel Braiking Boss knows something significant about Luna he hasn't told anybody.
i dunno. i couldn't really get into this episode :\.
the way things are going.. i really hope they don't try to use a NGE type ending
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Haha, im totally talking out of my ass now, but how about: Luna IS the cause of the ruin. Not Casshern having killed her. Lets assume Braiking Boss knew that Luna would cause the ruin...he sent out his best fighters to kill her.Originally Posted by Kraco
She still managed to start the ruin, thus making it look as if Casshern caused it by her death.
oh well, i dont think its like that, but nvm
after seeing this episode, part of me wants to buy into M's theory about Luna starting the Ruin, but I just can't. When Luna was around, there was no such thing as the Ruin. It was only after her incident with Casshern that the Ruin appeared. Of course, this brings up the fundamental question, again, of What is Ruin? but it also raises the question as to what exactly Luna did before the Ruin started. It's said that she became an enemy of Braiking Boss because he wanted only robots to rule, and she offered protection etc to the humans. But is it that simple?
On one hand, I could see this current Luna as someone who has "turned evil" from being killed by Casshern, and then decided to start the Ruin to punish the world. But on the other, her complete disdain for dying things, especially slowly dying things, would make her a very unlikely candidate for the one spreading the Ruin.
There's also the problem of Luna not actually healing anyone in this episode, something she admits in certain cases. I'm almost willing to bet my anime butt on the fact that, like I mentioned before, she somehow transfered all or most of her healing powers over to Casshern with 'her blood'. Of course, in some of the opening scenes of earlier episodes, Luna alsos appears to say, "Casshern, your blood changed me." Now, Casshern suddenly has a heart of gold, a desire to help people, and auto-healing. Luna is like ice and has no problem destroying things.
In the end, I have to disagree with Kraco's idea. I think this Luna really is different. Even Dune acted like something was wrong, and she certainly is different from how she appeared in his flashbacks.
Fially, although I didn't think of it for awhile, I thought it was interesting how we have Luna, who dislikes dying things so much that she orders half-alive flowers and robots to be buried alive, and Braiking Boss, who goes around creating monuments to the dead, admittedly because he has a desire to focus on the death and sacrifice.
Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".
Well, I wasn't all that surprised at how this episode turned out. It wouldn't fit with the nature of this show to have a Luna who bestows healing and grants everyone salvation, and they live happily ever after. Dune certainly seemed to believe that she was the real Luna, but she was so harsh and uncaring. After the episode with the children, I think that Ringo still has a large part to play in stopping the ruin. Maybe she will become the next Luna?
episode 21 is out subbed
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I still don't understand why Oji thinks Ringo has to be saved from ruin, they already explained she was human.
Our hero just got torn to hell and the preview doesn't give much information. If Casshern wanted to know the fear of death then he must know his body can be physically destroyed, just not susceptible to the ruin..,but that was seriously the heaviest ass beating I've ever seen.
"They call it 'The American Dream' because you have to be asleep to believe it" - George Carlin
i always save Casshern for the last thing i do on a Monday night, but i've got a feeling i'm going to be up for a little while trying to sort a few of the things from this episode.
first, we have Dio and Leda. They're still about the same as always, except it becomes clearer that Leda is more interested in becoming the number one sought after person in the world. And Dio, well, that had to be the saddest I've ever seen a bad guy while he watches his nemisis get beat down (heaviest ass beating i've seen in a long time too...). Dio doesn't just want Casshern to die, HE wants to be the one to defeat Casshern. Right? Or doesn't he? Is it even possible that Dio doesn't know what he really wants? I have a bad feeling that the poor guy is going to be confused right until he meets his end...
Lyuze and Ringo. Heartfelt performance from them as always. The scene with Lyuze was really pretty moving too. I never thought this angsty romance would grow on me, but it has.
Oji. So he uncovers the past and says that what Luna granted in the past was death. In the past too (as BB once said), humans were essentially immortal. But Boss despised that, and sought to restore the power of death to the world (it fits in rather well with both his name and the hobby that was revealed a few episodes back). Then and this is what I cannot understand, Oji says, "However, humans survived at Luna's side, albeit poorly. Poorly, but certainly. However, what Luna granted was death."
Luna in the Past. So Luna resists Boss, or, at least becomes the rallying point for those who resist Boss. And humans that are with her survive. However, she grants death as salvation. Basically, does this mean that she helped humans survive Boss' attacks only so that she could kill them herself? Or was it her intention to simply have them live out their lives and die naturally? Whichever, she is attacked by Casshern and "changed by his blood".
Luna in the Present. Luna despises death, greatly so. She has created a place where people seek out her salvation, people who apparently can beat the crap out of each other and go about living wickedly indulgent lives now that they've been saved. However, she has said before that there are some she cannot save.
Casshern. Casshern lives forever, but does not think of it as necessarily a good thing. However, as Oji commented, it's easy for Casshern to have noble ideals about life and death, since he has no choice but to be immortal (even though he sure tried like hell to let himself be killed this episode).
Ruin. The Ruin is death, death for robots, death for men. It advances suddenly when a thing experiences great trauma, it advances haphazardly when one engages in indulgences or recklessness, it advances no matter what with the passage of time. There have been several instances of robots who have survived well, continuing to be almost unruined for a long time, but, eventually, they have all succumbed to it, even Boss, Dio and Leda, and quite possibly even Ringo, who is most likely both human and robot, but will Ruin either way. Severe levels of dedication and attachment to life (not fear of death or desire not to die) have often been present in those who have endured the Ruin well, but the only exception to the Ruin is Casshern... and just maybe Luna...
Salvation. Luna's "salvation", it seems, is also an exception to the Ruin. Robots can endure great trauma with no apparent aftereffects, although it is unknown how long this "salvation" lasts. Luna has, however, declared that she is unable to give salvation to certain individuals, notably Dune (who rejected it, leading me to believe that one must desire Luna's salvation for it to actually work on them).
Throughout the show, Ruin has been synonymous with death, Luna's "salvation" has been synonymous with eternal life. A robot that has ruined is dead. A robot that has been saved by Luna is immortal. Everything in between is simply alive, even though they are heading for Ruin. HOWEVER, I feel the point we're heading towards is going to make some distinctions between this "immortality" and "life". In sum, I believe the show is making the case that it is impossible to be alive and to be immortal.
Now, bear with me, because I'm just struggling to make sense of all this myself, and it's not like something I think people can really solidly figure out. Now, you know, there's no trying to get around these ridiculously deep metaphysical issues. They're important elements in the show, and I've got a feeling they will only become more explicitly addressed as the series draws to a close. I'm just stabbing at them as best I can. This kind of thing is far from something I could ever claim to know.
The world has always been composed of opposites and the interval between them. Life and death. Day and night. Good and evil. It is a rather small thinking exercise to understand how one requires the other to exist. This is not to say that, should the sun shine forever and in all places, that it would outwardly be any different from that which we call day. However, with an eternal daytime, the way of thinking about 'day', about the sun and everything that comes from it, would change.
It is very hard to ever put these things into words, because every attempt to do so seems to have failings somewhere in them. But I think the point is that life without death is not really life at all. If we were to live forever, part of that existence could quite possibly entail drawing breath, pumping blood, brain activity, but such an existence is only "life as we know it" when we are conscious of another, alternative and inevitable state: the cessation of breath, the ebb of blood, the void of cerebral functions. The fact that we must face death changes everything about how we live our lives.
Of course, if we had to decide, which would we rather have?, I don't think anybody could ever truly answer. You have to have tried both the steak and the chicken to know which one you really want. But this is a single-serving meal, and I'm pretty sure none of us were handed menus prior to it starting. You can play with your food, you can eat it slowly, you can down it as fast as you can, and you never quite know when the meal's going to be over. So all you can really do is do like they say in Japan, "itadakimasu".
Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".
Burning in the Hearts of Men
Shinsen-Subs - Casshern SINS - Episode 22 - mkv torrent
Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".
Damn, is Leda a permanent vegetable now? She should have stopped while she was ahead. I wonder why she thinks she and Dio can have offspring if they are eternal.
Good to see Casshern back in action and ready to kill Dio. Two more episodes left, I'm really going to miss this show. Here's hoping they end it well.
"They call it 'The American Dream' because you have to be asleep to believe it" - George Carlin
According to this episode this is the same Luna, who used to grant death to the immortals in the past but now is, some believe, in the business of granting life to the all too mortal people. It doesn't seem like it quite works, though, or at least there's some serious trick involved, and I'm inclined to think it's not just a psychological trick.
Leda certainly got what she deserved. Maybe she will stay forever beautiful now as a statue...
Edit. Hmm... Maybe the ruin was in the beginning a limited method to grant a death to an immortal, but now it's reversed, the ruin being everywhere and Luna being able to control it in individuals.
Alive yet not living:
Episode 23 - SHS
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I can't say this episode would have presented anything really surprising. It did strenghten, though, my previous assertion that this Luna is not so different from the previous one, who was largely unknown to use, aside from various people considering her some sort of an idol, thus granting only a very twisted perception.