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    That blue haired girl in the OP looks like Chidori from FMP.

    Decent episode I guses.

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    @ ryl
    ya the op is great and as I said the techno music was fun to hear too!

    I read on 4 chan that ep1 covered 2 chapters of the manga
    and ep 2 covered *8*.
    I think that's the reason why I felt a bit confused..

    I don't agree with
    this episode was quite slow
    though.
    Hmmm at what moment are you thinking there?
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    I mean for all that was going on in the first third of the episode (something like 4 or 5 chapters there) the latter portion of the episode felt really drawn out. I found myself losing interest in the remainder of the episode for some reason. It was drawn out and slow, and the disjointed nature of the early part of the episode made the latter half suffer.

    Re-reading what I just wrote, it's not something I can easily explain, but it didn't really feel like the latter half of the episode went anywhere. The whole lampost-to-confession-to-ditching school just felt...slow.

    Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the series, but I did in fact read the manga adaptation of the material covered by this episode (they changed a lot) and the pacing here just felt...off.

    (I stopped reading the manga around here, having learned that the anime was coming out soon, I figured I'd enjoy this version more.)

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    Hmm, I for me it was the opposite...
    I liked the first half but the later part, when Taiga failed to give him her cookies everything began to be a bit too fast paced..

    the misunderstanding with their classmates which came up in this episode, was cleared like 5 minutes later..
    I personally expected it to hold a lot longer :/ (I was hoping for some funny misunderstandings there ^^)
    and that was the starting point where everything went haywire imho. (however it was still enjoyable enough)

    btw... the manga's only up to like ~12 chapters right?
    I saved it on my comp for safety ^^ (wheter I read it or not depends on how this anime turns out )
    So do you happen to know if the manga is close(r) to the Light Novel?

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    Of what I have read of both, it seems to be, but I can't be too sure, I didn't read very far into the novels, for the same reason I stopped with the manga.

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    I agree with you guys, the later half of the episode was just stalling for time.
    I think that the series is more fitted to 10 minutes episodes.
    I still like it, though, it's nice to see someone in the animeverse able to clear out a misunderstanding by simply explaining it. it gives hope.

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    its amazing really i cant seem to find a decent suber for this funny series at all, nearly everygroup ive found that did it had terrible grammer and horrible sentence structure its saddening, the only one that id give a passing grade to is paradyms sub to it they did an awsome job but they didnt do the ED for the series, i wish a more reputable subber will pick up this awsome series

    But on a side note im loving how clannad AS is turning out though this should of been posted in the right forum >.<

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    Quote Originally Posted by S_WarriorDark
    its amazing really i cant seem to find a decent suber for this funny series at all, nearly everygroup ive found that did it had terrible grammer and horrible sentence structure its saddening, the only one that id give a passing grade to is paradyms sub to it they did an awsome job but they didnt do the ED for the series, i wish a more reputable subber will pick up this awsome series

    But on a side note im loving how clannad AS is turning out though this should of been posted in the right forum >.<

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    Did you download the releases by GG? from the two episodes I've watched their work is great. I don't see the importance of grammar and sentences structures in subs where most of the conversations are 1-2 lines but whatever float your boat i suppose. As far as being "reputable" GG did a great job with Code Geass and i don't see any reason why they wouldn't do a great job with this one as well.

    edit: oh and this is a manga pic of taiga face after ryuji conversation with her near the end of the episode

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Dragon
    Did you download the releases by GG? from the two episodes I've watched their work is great. I don't see the importance of grammar and sentences structures in subs where most of the conversations are 1-2 lines but whatever float your boat i suppose. As far as being "reputable" GG did a great job with Code Geass and i don't see any reason why they wouldn't do a great job with this one as well.

    edit: oh and this is a manga pic of taiga face after ryuji conversation with her near the end of the episode


    well id give them about a B- for their work they arent too bad but just a little more effort they could be alot better so atm im making due with their stuff but would love to see more effort put into it

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    Quote Originally Posted by S_WarriorDark
    well id give them about a B- for their work they arent too bad but just a little more effort they could be alot better so atm im making due with their stuff but would love to see more effort put into it
    You must have nice skills in Japanese then.
    Care to tell us about your background?

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    im not talking about their translation ability im concerned with their terrible grammer they use, seriously hate sub groups that try and use new term slang in their subs its just painful

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    Quote Originally Posted by S_WarriorDark
    im not talking about their translation ability im concerned with their terrible grammer they use, seriously hate sub groups that try and use new term slang in their subs its just painful
    Ah, then you should offer them some advice on how they can improve their "grammer" to reach your impeccable level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S_WarriorDark
    im not talking about their translation ability im concerned with their terrible grammer they use, seriously hate sub groups that try and use new term slang in their subs its just painful
    reading speed is inferior to hearing comprehension.
    And you don't have much space on screen.
    Plus we're dealing with angry teenagers that have their own language. It's only natural to create words to mimic their behaviour and what they usually do.
    There's more to a translation than just grammar rules.

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    Seriously, S_WarriorDark, if you didn't sound so serious I'd think you are joking. Every post by you so far has been riddled with more spelling and grammar issues than I'd make in a score of posts, and English isn't even my native language. You should pay more attention to your own writing before you begin to bitch about the language and efforts of a decent group like gg.

    Anyway, pacing aside, the last portion of this second episode redeemed Toradora a little in my mind as I was having already serious issues with Taiga's attitude. I can't stand such extreme tsunderes very well, I reckon. It pisses me off how Ryuuji selflessly helps Taiga time after time yet gets nothing but bitching in return. And then the girl is all sweet and humble in front of her love interest. I have nothing against normal tsundere characters but this was getting a bit ridiculous. Fortunately she treated him a little better in some scenes of this episode already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David75
    reading speed is inferior to hearing comprehension.
    And you don't have much space on screen.
    Plus we're dealing with angry teenagers that have their own language. It's only natural to create words to mimic their behaviour and what they usually do.
    There's more to a translation than just grammar rules.


    which i more than understand that fact, as for reading speed I must say that reading subs has vastly improved my reading ability and speed. Just as more and more the years go by we get more and more kids with a terrible reading ability( 1 major reason why i hate local colleges too many morons who cant read) and creating words to mimic behavior is getting out of hand. But as I said they do a fair job but with a bit more effort they can be like eclipse, or even shinsen

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    Quote Originally Posted by S_WarriorDark
    which i more than understand that fact, as for reading speed I must say that reading subs has vastly improved my reading ability and speed. Just as more and more the years go by we get more and more kids with a terrible reading ability( 1 major reason why i hate local colleges too many morons who cant read) and creating words to mimic behavior is getting out of hand. But as I said they do a fair job but with a bit more effort they can be like eclipse, or even shinsen
    Not behavior, real way of talking. They try to adapt the very freedom those teens use with their own language. Got it?
    How would you translate japanese slang? with english slang.
    Those kids create new words, when translating, you have to remain true to the orginal, to the spirit. So you create words too...

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    I can't tell a single difference between GG, Eclipse and Shinsen...
    only that GG use cusses more often.

    Ok, ok, my english is not the best.. but I don't think that really matters here.

    I've got FSN from Eclipse, Code Geass from Eclipse *and* GG (and I didn't even notice that I switched to GG), Kaze no Stigma and Sword of the Stranger from Shinsen...

    they all sound the same to me, but GG is alot faster than the others and unlike some other subgroups, GG is also translating exclamation-words.

    but in fact I can't even tell decent sub groups apart in general. It doesn't matter wheter it's Ayako, BSS, KAA, Ayu, WF, Saizen or Central Anime...

    as I said the only difference with GG and maybe DB is that they are very fast and use swear-words sometimes. For example "Don't fuck with me!", while other groups would translate it as "Don't mess with me"... and to be honest I'd prefer GG's translation if it's a character like Taiga for example

    The only problems I have with their translations sometimes is in the OP or ED, but I think that's because the songtext is just a bit weird. The OP of ToraDora! is the perfect example for that. I understand what the song wants to tell me, but I don't really get all the metaphors etc ^^
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    Shinsen is pretty standard, and almost always releases in SD.

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    saw first 2 episodes, really nice. though the story seems a bit forced...the main character and Taiga fit together so perfectly, and both of them know that (at least their thoughts and facial expressions gave me that impression).

    now we&#180;re seeing 20 episodes of them not realizing that, eh?

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