Who are you voting for in Nov and why?

[animus]

Man that was 11 minutes of a fat guy talking about how Barack Obama is destroying the Constitution because he may not be an American natural born citizen. It might be a big deal to some, but I'm 90% sure this guy just doesn't want a black man in office. I'm also guessing he spent his career as a prosecutor where he would prosecute the stereotypical black criminal.

He wrote off the fact that McCain was not a natural born citizen either, but made it sound like it wasn't some propaganda starved war machine because he presented it proudly. McCain just got off the hook because both his parents were natural born.

[Uchiha Barles]

Apparently there are legal technicalities that are going to ensure that this case doesn't even get heard, let alone go to trial. Sounds like he's here to stay. Plus, the whole thing reeks of bs.

edit: Actually, it's not just some loophole that allows Obama to avoid this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen

There are three cases, according to the last section of the article I linked, that set precedence, rendering people without something called "standing" ineligible to challenge the eligibility of a presidential candidate. If I correctly understood what I read, someone with "standing" can basically show three things. 1) They're somehow harmed, 2) there's a connection between the harm and the thing they're challenging in court, and 3) that a judegement in favor of the person making the challenge, is likely to fix things.

Basically, it's how the courts say "uh...does this even matter?" Apparently the answer to that question with regards to Obama's citizenship is "no, it does not". The guy in that video has no standing.

[Assertn]

Uh....president of the United States is about as big as it gets in this country.

Lying about your citizenship is one thing, but lying about your citizenship to rule a country is another. You can't really consider yourself bipartisan and shrug that off.

[Animeniax]

Uh....president of the United States is about as big as it gets in this country.

I think guys like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett could give the president a run for the money.

[rockmanj]

I think guys like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett could give the president a run for the money.

And many more big business men and lobbyists, for that matter.

[Animeniax]

Like Jared from Subway, he's pretty big, before and after.

[Uchiha Barles]

Uh....president of the United States is about as big as it gets in this country.

Lying about your citizenship is one thing, but lying about your citizenship to rule a country is another. You can't really consider yourself bipartisan and shrug that off.

I'm not so much shrugging off the ethics of this as I am shrugging off any chance in hell that this has of becoming even a moderate issue in the media for people to get angry about, let alone there actually being legal consequences for Obama. The guy bringing up charges simply has no chance to make those charges stick. Also, the term "natural born citizen" is defined loosely enough, from what I read, so that even if someone who did have the right to challenge Obama's candidacy did so, Obama would stand a fighting chance at demonstrating that he's eligible to run for president. I mean, not that I've been following political news that closely for some time now, but I haven't heard any prominent politician bring this up. I just can't bring myself to feel too much anger about something that will produce neither results nor harm.

[The Heretic Azazel]

The case of Obama's non-citizenship is so ridiculous that the media watchdogs won't even report on it. And they make a story out of everything. He was born in Hawaii, whoever says otherwise is misinformed.

[Assertn]

The case of Obama's non-citizenship is so ridiculous that the media watchdogs won't even report on it. And they make a story out of everything. He was born in Hawaii, whoever says otherwise is misinformed.

The media doesn't report most things that make Obama look bad.

The media also didn't mention Obama's half-brother, who lives in a 3rd world country on $1/mo while he himself somehow accrued multiple tens of millions from a $200k government job.

[Uchiha Barles]

The media doesn't report most things that make Obama look bad.

The media also didn't mention Obama's half-brother, who lives in a 3rd world country on $1/mo while he himself somehow accrued multiple tens of millions from a $200k government job.

Obama is the media's golden boy. It's so bad that it's almost as if the news networks are actually cheering for him. As far as his half brother's concerned though, same dad, different mom, and his mom is the one who raised him (Barrack). And the millions of dollars he's accrued given the position he has...well, lets just say "he did it too quickly." Unless you think you're going to be a champion of justice going into politics, you'd be a fool to not use your influence to get rich.

[Abdula]

I don't see what the big deal is. The media isn't there to play fair and give us an unbiased informative look at the candidates. Like he said Obama is their golden boy, their chosen candidate, the one they decided should be President. It happens every single election. This is America after all.

The voters are the ones who are supposed to remember that no matter how good they make him look he is still a politician and its their obligation to educate themselves about him and what he stands for, before they vote for him.

[The Heretic Azazel]

The media doesn't report most things that make Obama look bad.

The media also didn't mention Obama's half-brother, who lives in a 3rd world country on $1/mo while he himself somehow accrued multiple tens of millions from a $200k government job.

I watch a lot of Fox News, so I'm exposed to a lot of anti-Obama rhetoric. Some concerns I completely understand but the way they try to smear him over the smallest things makes them look desperate. Fox News would be the first (well, probably only) media outlet to question the rumor of Obama's citizenship, if it weren't a ridiculous idea to start with.

[animus]

They are desperate, Obama's dominating the polls, or so I hear.

[Assertn]

nah, mccain's up by a few points so far. Also, there's a good chance he'll win florida.

[Ryllharu]

The polls and the reporting of them are both done by mainstream media, who have a special interest in reporting that the race is close. If it looks like it will be a landslide, no one will watch their damn cable channels the day of the election, and certainly no one will watch before the election, so sure of a victory.

Since the 2000 election, the media realized they could make absurd amounts of money by intentionally keeping the numbers close, artificially if necessary.

example: NPR (funded 90% through donations, marginal "liberal" bias) has Obama winning by a fairly wide margin, nearly everyone else has the two candidates, "within points" of each other.

EDIT: I was also going to include PBS's poll, but they are using the one provided by NPR. Go figure.

[animus]

I would honestly be surprised if I heard McCain was factually ahead of Obama. It just doesn't seem plausible.

[itadakimasu]

I'd like to dedicate this post to how i think sarah palin is the worst possible candidate the republicans could have chosen to be john mccains running mate. I'm not sure if it was because she's an unknown, and nobody already hated her?

I don't hate her but her presence in the campaign only makes me think that she was chosen at random and I doubt had ever been face to face with john mccain before they picked her. Had i been actually ''undecided" She probably would have been the reason my vote did not goto mccain.

Lets see who the electoral college chooses to be our next president, and see if my vote for obama counted towards anything.

[Ryllharu]

I thought it was fairly obvious that Palin was chosen because she was, quite literally, a beauty queen filled to the brim with neo-conservative ideals. Moreover, she was chosen almost immediately after Obama did not go with Clinton. That sent her fuming female supporters into a huff, so the McCain camp figured they might be able to snag a few of those who swore on their mother's grave they would never vote for Obama. I imagine that some of the discussion really was along the lines of, "After all, a woman is a woman to these women, right?"


In any case, I have performed my civic duty and voted today. Polls were swamped at 6am (I wasn't going to vote then anyway but I wanted to check it out), so I went after work around 3:30pm. I was in and out in under ten minutes.

[The Heretic Azazel]

http://news.aol.com/political-machin...688x1200751516

We might not know who the next President is until the 10th.

GOD I WISH IT WOULD FUCKING END.

[Abdula]

Okay, um Brooklyn just went crazy. I'm inside and I can barely hear myself think.