I'm not darkshadow but from everything I've read image burn hasn't been mentioned once in reviews of any of the newer model plasma or LCD tvs, even the sub-$1000US versions.
The response time of that Samsung is low at 4ms, but they stated the input lag occurred with PC inputs. Since a console is basically a PC, I'd imagine it would have the same problem, unless you connect through a HDMI or maybe a DVI cable. Maybe the issue only occurs with 15-pin VGA connections?
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I am going to hook everything up with HDMI cables, but it would be risky to go on the assumption they didn't use the best cables possible when performing their tests.
So LCD's have issues of deep blacks and response times. What are Plasma's issues if image burn no longer exists?
Edit: Check out the table at the bottom of this page.
Well - in most plasmas you can see pixel grid. its not problem if you put your TV far away from you - but if you put 37' TV 2.5-3 meters from you its awful. Thank God that I have got normal 37' Hitachi LCD, works great with PS3 and PC, also it got build in digital tuner and slot for expansion card(decoder or disc - or both at once)
VGA connection is bad idea - they are slower on more recent cards(they need extra processing to change signal to analog) and maximum resolution on tv using such connection is 720p - while HDMI might use some tuning with scaling(a bit wrong interpretation of coordinates) but its worth it for 1080p(it depends on TV, at 720 TV if you set up 720 output it might go out of border of TV but at 1080 it will be smaller than TV. it only happens with PC, not with consoles.).
Well I don't know if there are any Wii or Xbox360 problems with scaling but in ps3 there are none.
Also I think that 3 HDMI are enough, pity that I got only 2, another one would be awesome for HDTV satellite decoder, but component(not cat!) is fine too.
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If you not need new TV now just want to buy one for showing off - better save money and wait for OLED ones. They will be flatter, have better response time, better black and less power usage, but they will last only for 5-6 years, still that is long enough.
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Dude what? an analog connection has more bandwidth dan a digital one and thus a vga connection can easily exceed 1080p, pffft I was running my old monitor at 2048x.
And the 360 is pretty much the best scaler out of the 3 consoles ( ps3 is a terrible scaler, no really) since it has a build in scaler chip, that will scale to pretty much any resolution.
Plus being a computer connection, VGA doesn't suffer the same limitations as component when it comes to upscaling dvd's ( component will go till 1080i, VGA till p), which is what the 360 is pretty damn excellent at btw.
And DB_Hunter, afaik, burn-in has become far less of a problem nowadays BUT it still exists.
some info i got about it:
How Many Plasma Users Experience Burn-In?
In fact, not many. Recent technologies make modern plasma displays much more resistant to permanent image retention. A research sponsored by Pioneer Electronics demonstrates that leaving a static image for 48 hours did cause a clearly visible image retention on all three of their test plasmas, but running a movie loop for 24 hours removed all signs of the after-image.
However, it is still possible to burn a plasma if it is used to display static images, such as black side bars, for extended periods of time without varying viewing material. Channel or computer game logos are also likely lo leave an after-image.
Besides the burn in stuff, Plasma's are pretty excellent IMO, nice colors, nice viewing angles, though generally higher response times.While your plasma is new:
Reduce contrast
Avoid content that does not fill entire screen (leaves black bars) for the first 1000 hours
Switch channels from time to time
If seeing any signs of image retention, run a screen saver on your plasma
Most damage is done to the brand-new plasmas by inexperienced users. Plasmas are most susceptible to burn-in during the first 100 hours, and much more burn-in resistant after 1000 hours of use.
Last edited by darkshadow; Thu, 11-20-2008 at 12:46 PM.
I'm not considering a TV, but this thread's been really interesting. One thing I would definitely consider if I'm buying one is power efficiency and consumption. From what I've read, small LCD are power savers. All your large screens, be it plasma or LCD, are very power hungry.
Any opinion on this?
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If you're not using the large screen for the PC and you don't tend to run the TV all the time, then power shouldn't be a big issue. Maybe save electricity elsewhere, like cutting the lights in rooms you're not in, or turning down the AC to 75F.
If it's just for your room or dorm room then a 24" LCD would be great. For a living room or a one room setup like you'd find in Japanese apartments, then I'd go for at least a 32" or a projector.
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Erm, you don't know diffirence between DVI and VGA?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface
HDMI is a DVI with sound pins.
VGA may have more bandwidth but modern cards need to use extra procesing power to convert digital signal to analog.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vga
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You are trying to teach me something? lol. I'm not even going to waste my time debating with you.
On a seperate note I went in to an electronics shop today and was comparing all the sets, and to my the two best ones looked like Samsung and Sony. I was expecting Samsung to be good but Sony was a surprise, as I had heard it had lost market share due to poor televisions.
I am probs going to buy after Xmas anyway, when the prices come down. Will see still what I get in terms of the plasma vs lcd debate. Am looking to get a PS3 though (not only for games but for the blue ray capability) and also a surround sound system.
I hate shops were you have TV walls, more than often they cheat the settings in order to try and lure people towards the ones they want to sell the most...Originally Posted by DB_Hunter
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I've heard of this practice too. They'll purposefully mess up the settings on certain TVs so they look like crap, and fine-tune the models they want to sell so the image is crystal clear under certain conditions. They'll also play a clip with properties that best suit a particular model that otherwise performs poorly in 95% of applications.
For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?
Well I don't know about that, but it there were only two clips being played on about 30-35 sets. It is a possibility that happened, but then how do you judge? You can't trusts stats either because they could be fudged by the manufacturer.
Best way I htink is to go to shops to see the sets. If you are worried about some tricks being played, go to multiple shops to see the sets.
How can you tell? User reviews on the net are good. Tech reviews too, if you can find a good site that knows their stuff.
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Do you have any suggestions?
Sometimes, but a lot of buying a TV is personal preference, so you have to see for yourself to judge best what you like. If the shop is playing tricks with the looping video, then it's harder to decide, but if you do like DB_Hunter says and go to multiple shops you might get a better idea, if they carry the same models.
For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?
My favourite one would be http://www.televisioninfo.com/
Other hardware review sites look into HDTVs too, like http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/, but those don't generally go too deep in the technical analysis.
I'd suggest the first one hands down though. Other guys might know of some good ones.
As Ani(and others) have said, do a combination of both net and real-time inspecting to really check the product out.
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Went to the store again today (same chain, but my local branch) and had a good chat with one of the guys there. For the size range I was talking about, which is about 40", it seems to be coming down to two sets - a Samsung LE40A756 (40") LCD or a Panasonic TH42PZ81B (42") Plasma. Apparantly Panasonic and Pioneer are the best in the Plasma business and though they both give the same quality Pioneer just costs about 50% more because of the brand name. Samsung lead the way in LCD.
Now the store guy was saying that he personally would recommend the Samsung (as he just bought it himself a couple of weeks ago) because it has richer colours than the Panasonic. Now that's a surprise to me considering the Samsung is an LCD, but the colour colours did look very good on it.
At any rate I'm going to wait for the sales after Christmas to buy. In the meanwhile I know have to get to grips with the XBox 360 Vs PS3 debate (I'm leaning towards PS3 for blue ray but XBox seems to have much better variety of games).
I'm also thinking about the X360 vs PS3 deal, for the same reasons. I already have a bunch of X360 games since my buddy lent me his spare X360, but it's not like I'll ever replay these games. However more games will continue to be available for the X360 than the PS3.
I'm thinking I'll go Plasma for the higher contrast ratio, but if i decide on anything smaller than 40", I'll go with the LCD. I might just opt for a projector, but I hate having to avoid the projection when walking around the room, and I don't plan on mounting it on the ceiling.
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My Tv...err... Monitor
I wonder what led backlight screen will do in the future...
My hope would be for a panel composed of led RGB dots of a tiny size...
That'd be great for contrast and speed, because a led handles fast changes very well... Alas you'd need a very quick electronic behind too...
Well Ryou, can you tell us a bit more about that screen and what you think of it now? so that we can compare one month from now when you're acustomed to it?
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