Elfen lied... It was awesome..
I've watched it all, with an anime loving friends, and 2 non-anime-watchers.
we all enjoyed it (since it's awesome), but during watching, the non watchers (more like non-believers! phaa!) kept asking us if this gets us turned on..
I hated all that fanservice, they kill puppies in the show, they torment kids and put them in research facilities, it doesn't need fanservice.
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You know the important distinction between Batman and me? Batman is fictional. In real life, there isn't always an alternative.
I find that movies can get away with this sort of stuff. Like, say, American Pie. You still get people complaining about the nudity and all, but to them, the whole movie is wrong, while to others, the sex is all part of the show. It's the joke. The culture.Originally Posted by Death BOO Z
Anime, not quite so. Besides hentai, you can almost always take out the fanservice, and the story can proceed much the same. But isn't the fanservice (in particular cases), also the joke? The culture?
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well to put it simply... Ikki Tousen would get a 0/10 from me without fanservice
with fanservice it manages to get a 2/10 ! All thanks to the blue haired girl in a maid costume.
if you want to compare anime-fanservice with scenes from american pie you should do it with an anime like Goldenboy... because thats were it plays a role and is part of the story/comedy
In Elfen-Lied or Ikki Tousen, fanservice is just lame and not needed, especially when the story etc suffer from the heavy amount of fanservices like in Ikki-Tousen.
Fanservice in Ikki-Tousen is like watching some bruce lee movie with tits and asses every ~5 seconds.
I can imagine lee screaming his battlecry " WooooOOooaoaaaAAhhuuuu" and then -> scene switch to a girl, dancing naked somewhere for 3 seconds -> scene switch to lee breaking someone's arm or neck
I hate it if fanservice is "just there" and not part of a comedy scene for example. It feels weird and I can understand everyone who askes you or meif you like something like this ^^if this gets us turned on..
animes like that will hopefully never get to be "mainstream"
btw @ DBZ: Did Elfen Lied have so much fanservice? it's been a while since I watched it but I can't remember it to be full of fanservice.
I wouldn't call "Lucy beeing naked in the begin" fanservice... but I can't remember what happened in the "comedy parts" of the story anymore.
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American pie had points to it's nudity, the plot revolved around sex.
I guess it's the same in harem animes, like love hina or ranma. I can even see how it's used in some gag\comedy animes... but it's far too overused to make it funny.
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You know the important distinction between Batman and me? Batman is fictional. In real life, there isn't always an alternative.
Elfen Lied was one of my early series. It was definitely one of the first alternative series I watched, and I liked it a lot.
Guyver was my first anime. I used to watch it with my cousin and occasionally my sister. However, my sister said she would get nightmares from all the gore, but there's really not that much gore I guess except pools of blood. Though the anime that really got me started and into watching anime, was probably Gundam Wing.
If Gundam Wing had been my first anime series I would have sworn off all anime and never touched the stuff again.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Escaflowne (dubbed) was one of my earliest series and I really liked the animation. It showed me that not all anime are drawn like DBZ.
I saw Escaflowne early on too, but the subbed version. I've always been a purist about subbing. Akira and DBZ are two of the very few dubbed animes I like.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
This is a really interesting topic, I must admit. I think what first drew me into anime was DBZ. I always loved cartoons, and I started watching DBZ whenever I'd come home from school. Slowly I experimented a bit and got into other anime, with Bebop and Trigun being the earlier ones. It's an interesting transition, no doubt. I feel that Cowboy Bebop and Trigun are certianly the best beginner anime, since they really don't go so wacky as to scar people from watching further anime.
I think the article itself is a little misleading, since anime is not erotic for the most part. But if someone were to read this, I feel they would get the wrong interpretation of what anime is like. Certainly there are plenty hentai and whatever, but it's not like it's going to takeover the US. I have no problem with people who are into that, of course. Sometimes it's hard to explain to people that I like anime and that going to Otakon isn't some weird thing. My friends are usually cool with it, but I'm sure they think it's odd.
Captain Future, Ufo Robot Mazinger, Captain Harlock, San Kukaï (not anime... but Japanese), Candy Candy were my first contacts with japanime.
I liked them a lot, like other anime at the time. I couldn't really tell they were japanese, yet they were a bit different, that themes and background stories were very different.
But honestly at the time, I didn't have the mindset to have a very detailed analysis on the anime I watched. I could only feel it.
Then there was atakkā yū, captain tsubasa, KOR, Maison Ikkoku, Hokuto no ken, DB and DBZ, Saint Seiya, Cats Eyes, makyou densetsu akrobunch, Nadia the secret of blue water,Mr Ajikko, Space Adventure Cobra, City Hunter, etc... that really got me hooked as an older child then teenager.
after teenagehood, nothing for like ten years, and there's now...
So It was a 3 phase hook, starting in kindergarten.
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
guys, keep the 'my first anime' talk in it's proper place, there has to be some dead topic to necromance if you really want (narutosharingan... where did you come back from?)..
anime is generally plenty erotic, maybe not 'proper' erotic, and not exactly 'sex-driven', but the female body parts take up far too much air-time for me to be comfortable with, even when watching alone, and especially if I'm trying to watch it with my kid brother.
I don't have any argument against hentai, or against animes like golden boy, who's only intention is to show us as many boobs, breast and panties as possible, but when if I can't watch a normal fighting show (say... Naruto, or Bleach) without getting a scene about panties, onsens or a nosebleed, then things are pretty much fucked up.
there's a huge difference between having a romance sub-plot, or even a romance main plot, from showing cleavage in second scene.
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You know the important distinction between Batman and me? Batman is fictional. In real life, there isn't always an alternative.
That's an old anime tradition, though. Can't have one without the other. I guess the Japanese, behind their stiff hierarchical culture of half-empty flattering, are still more honest than many others. Or maybe the exaggeration is a way to vent. In any case the generous fanservice has been there and will be there whether foreigners like it or not. And thus if we choose to watch the media, we must also accept the fanservice within. It doesn't even make sense to want to watch entertainment from the other side of the world and expect it to be similar to whatever is the tradition in one's own country.
I'm confused as to what definition of "honest" you're working off of here.
In any case, I completely agree that the exaggeration is a form of escapism. It's the same reason why there's always a scene of some character stuffing their faces with too much food. That kind of stuff is frowned upon in Japan and so naturally they find cartoon characters doing it hilarious. It's still obnoxious when touching a boob on accident and getting repirmanded for it with a paper fan to the face is tantamount to "humor", like DBZ said, but I guess that's just the Japanese equivalent of being an "edgy" comedian over here on Comedy Central.
It's pretty easy to tell the hacks from the real talent.
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
Honest in recognizing males, especially youths, are very interested in female bodies. And so they shamelessly exploit that interest in anime. Domestic animation expressly for people older than kids doesn't have a very strong mainstream tradition in the West and thus its understandable it can't be used as such a statistically relevant object of comparison to gauge the general opinion of our (animation) entertainment business.
Well, I know I wouldn't want to watch some shows if some older people could be looking over my shoulder at the screen. They would hardly understand the need for needlessly scantily clad females...
Well, I think fanservice by definition is unnecessary. The Japanese use the word "service" in katakana (and yes, they use this word exactly when referring to fanservice) when giving extra or free things, like a bonus. They put it in for it's own sake (well, for the fans that like it) and it was never meant to develop the plot or anything.
As for the reason they put it in, it is probably due to a number of factors. One is the practical reason of simple demand for it. Another may be the repression, or rather, the sudden lack of repression in Japan's youth population as of recent.
I personally don't mind fanservice, unless it is done very cheaply (Rosario x Vampire) or if it is the only content of the show (Ikkitousen). Otherwise, I consider it an extra treat that I could do without and ignore if I want to.
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