TV: True Blood

[Sapphire]

Tara does have a point though. It's sort of retarded that Sookie can go running into danger any time she wants, but she forces Tara to stay chained.

[Munsu]

Tara does have a point though. It's sort of retarded that Sookie can go running into danger any time she wants, but she forces Tara to stay chained.

The difference is that Sookie at least has her telepathic powers and Bill (and other Vampires) behind her to help and support her. What Tara is doing was going against an opponnent that even Vampires have trouble with, and she had ZERO means of protecting herself. Not really the same thing, particularly when there was already a plan in motion to safe the people. They just had to wait a bit.

Just caught up to episode 11, season finale tomorrow. Can't wait. Do we have one more orgy in on us?

[Sapphire]

Yeah, but there are times when Sookie's telepathic powers do nothing but thrust her into danger (when she first met Bill, when she volunteered to go into Church of the Sun). I don't know if the Vampires even care about Maenads, Maenad seemed to pose no threat to them and there was no acknowledgment that the vamps even cared about Maenad-lady/knew she existed until like one episode ago lol. If they keep their fangs out of Marianne then they would be fine, but of course that could cause competition for a food source..

Of course Tara was stupid for running into danger, but at the same time Sookie has no right to chain her IMO.. It was even weirder when Sookie threw her the keys. As if Tara's mom would really shoot her if she didn't? My hatred for Sookie has gone up again!

The last two episodes seem to be build up episodes, with nothing wtf-epic really happening. I hope that the finale goes back to the wtf-epic mode that was previously in!

[Munsu]

Meh, I think you're just looking at things to hate irrationally, but it's fine. The situations really don't compare with each other, and if the roles where reversed, Sookie would've been chained herself. Also, it wasn't solely Sookie who decided to chain her. And, the mother is fully capable of shooting Sookie. It doesn't have to be a killing shot, plus she's completely nuts.

As for the vamps not caring about Maenands, it doesn't negate the fact that vampires would have a lot of trouble fighting her; there's a reason why they aren't going after her without preparation and needed help from the Queen to figure out how to deal with her. She's immortal, can't be harmed, and she can control just about the complete town. Tara herself was just possessed by her, she had no means to rescue the dude.

[Sapphire]

I don't think that Sookie would have been chained. There is no evidence that Sookie would ever be restrained by anyone if she were to decide she wanted to plunge into danger. Sure, Bill might try to convince her, but he would never physically prevent her from doing what she wanted to do. If he did she would never forgive him, and I think he cares more about her approval than her safety at times.. As evident by all the times he either tried to go behind her back to prevent her from danger or meekly convince her not to go.

Laff and Tara's mom were of course a part of Tara's jailing, but I don't see them as hypocrites because they don't go mindlessly running into danger themselves. Especially Laffayette, who does everything in his own self interest and sure as hell will try to make sure he's protected somehow before he sticks his neck out.

I think there's a difference between caring about the Maenads and being able to defeat them. It's apparently a lot harder to kill your average Maenad than a vampire, but both would be equally futile to attempt to kill if you didn't have the knowledge about their weak points. The only direct confrontation/trouble we've seen between vamps and Maenads is Bill's stupidly ignorant attempt to drain her blood. Even before the audience found out it was no good I thought this was a stupid thing to do. Either way that probably wouldn't stop Sookie from plunging herself into danger to protect a loved one (she did it for Godric, who she didn't even know too).

[Munsu]

The problem is not about putting yourself in danger. The problem is that in all those cases you mention, Sookie was either the only one capable of helping or the most capable to succeed. Tara, in this situation, was neither of those. In fact, it was quite the opposite... she going would make things worse.

As for Laff, well he and her mom went and took Tara initially from Maryanne, so they're quite capable of putting themselves in danger to save someone. Isn't that what he's doing with Sookie right now? So, he's no hypocrite?

Again, it's not about putting yourself in danger for someone you care about or not. It's if under the circumstances, does it make sense to do so. In Sookie's cases, for the most part, the circumstances made it so that she's the one that it made sense in some fashion to put herself in harms way. There's no way to rationalize Tara putting herself in danger this time around.

And I said, Sookie has had either Bill's or some other vamp's protection... which in some regard lessens the risk. Tara really has no one to protect her. The situations are really not the same.

[darkmetal505]

Here is something interesting to think about: the way Maryanne protected herself from the bullet. I originally thought her immortality was more along the lines of super healing and never aging like the vampires. Rather, she deflected the bullet showing she can physically alter her surroundings. Would this power be an extension of the "I think it, therefore it exists" paradigm the Queen explained or the physical power of a Maenad? It seems to be a very convenient/potent power if one can just believe something and it manifests itself. Then again, the Queen did say Maryanne is extremely obsessed and ignorant to a degree that she doesn't conceive the laws of physics as other creatures.

[Ryllharu]

Would this power be an extension of the "I think it, therefore it exists" paradigm the Queen explained or the physical power of a Maenad? It seems to be a very convenient/potent power if one can just believe something and it manifests itself. Then again, the Queen did say Maryanne is extremely obsessed and ignorant to a degree that she doesn't conceive the laws of physics as other creatures.

The Queen also alluded that they were ultimately harmless because after all the havoc they cause, Maenads just kill themselves off in the end, once they are convinced that "He who comes," indeed comes and eats them or whatever. To vampires (along with other supernaturals) they really don't mean a whole lot in the grand scheme of things.

To supernaturals who capture a Maenad's attention, and to the human friends of the supernaturals, they are a bigger deal.

Their power is all about delusion, and their downfall, according to the Queen, is as well.

[Sapphire]

As for Laff, well he and her mom went and took Tara initially from Maryanne, so they're quite capable of putting themselves in danger to save someone. Isn't that what he's doing with Sookie right now? So, he's no hypocrite?

I think that Laff didn't know what he was getting into, since he called Maryanne a cold ass bitch. XD

Also I don't see how telepathy gives you protection against supernatural creatures at all, especially since apparently Sookie can't read the minds of half the vampires in the show.. I also don't understand how it made more sense for her to thrust herself into dangerous situations anymore than Tara.

I also maintain that vampires have done almost nothing to protect her unless you count the time someone killed the spy she was interrogating, she smack talked to Bill's ex, and she was attacked in the forest - all circumstances in which she was expecting no protection from anyone whatsoever (she's that egotistical) At all accounts she almost got brutally murdered. In this case Maryanne didn't seem to want to harm Tara - LOL!!

Actually there was one time Sookie whined to Bill about not coming to save her (Bill was God knows far away - nevermind, vampires can suddenly fly - or is that only Eric?), but that's her own fault for going into enemy grounds with no protection whatsoever.. (la de da de da they'll NEVER know who I am!)

[Ryllharu]

Also I don't see how telepathy gives you protection against supernatural creatures at all, especially since apparently Sookie can't read the minds of half the vampires in the show..

I also maintain that vampires have done almost nothing to protect her unless you count the time someone killed the spy she was interrogating, she smack talked to Bill's ex, and she was attacked in the forest - all circumstances in which she was expecting no protection from anyone whatsoever (she's that egotistical) At all accounts she almost got brutally murdered.

Sookie is one thing, valuable. The overwhelming majority of supernaturals have no idea that telepaths even exist. We don't really know how many of the highest level of vampires know they exist, and for the most part, we only knew that Bill and Eric did, and both of them want Sookie's ability for themselves (Bill to keep her out of harm's way, and Eric for his own purposes).

That's the kind of protection she is granted. Except for vampires, she has been able to read the mind of anything. In the case of Maryann, she couldn't understand it, but she heard it. Even Maryann doesn't want to hurt Sookie directly thus far because again, Sookie is a curiosity of the highest order.

[Sapphire]

I see Sookie as more of a valuable chess piece that vamps can put at risk by proxy than something more than that, from the way Eric puts her in risky situations (his protection is variable). Of course that might change if Eric actually starts up a relationship with Sookie.

..ew

Also where is the evidence that the majority of supernaturals don't know telepaths exist? If that was mentioned in an ep I don't remember it.. It is my understanding that supernatural people (especially immortal ones) would know about mindreading especially if they can glamour people. The difficulty is coming across a telepath since they just appear like normal humans and can blend into society. The difficulty is they are so rare of course if you happened to suck ones blood you wouldn't know what it tasted like. The vamps probably couldn't tell a shapeshifter by sight, unless they had a distinct taste and the vamps knew it. Eric probably didn't appear surprised because he has no use for a shapeshifter. And if he knew all along that Sam was a shapeshifter then I call bad writing because I have never seen Eric and Sam in a scene together. :/

Let's assume Maryanne knows Sookie is supernatural because she bothered scratching her in the first place. I would say that is directly hurting her since she nearly died. I think the only reason Maryanne didn't attain her last ep is because Sookie pushed her away. Even then Maryanne wouldn't care because she thinks she's immortal. Pain, defeat, and "ravagement" are awesome to Maryanne, even if it's directed at herself.

I have NO idea what Maryanne's priorities are and who she decides not to kill and why, but so far she only kills once their use is used up/she want their heart. Her curiosity has been sparked by Sam but she wants to kill him lol. I don't remember if she stated that she was curious in Sookie, and why that would mean she wouldn't want to hurt her.

From the way Maryanne acts she would probably sacrifice/enslave Sookie at the first chance she got. The only reason she let them go away is because of her ego, and immortal patience. She could easily take a whole town under her control and over time she prolly thinks she would have Sookie under her control too. And Maryanne seems to be the type who would revel in the long drawn out chase (she invested quite a lot of time in Tara for example). The fact that Maryanne didn't bother kidnapping Sookie but instead just let her lie in the forest for an X amount of time also shows Maryanne's ability to be patient.
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"But when he got there, he saw the black eyes and stayed (similar to the first encounter of Sookie with Bill). Laff is going after her once again."

^^Very true, I forgot about that!

[Sapphire]

I'll make Munsu happy by foregoing my myriad of complaints about Sookie, and take a break from critisizing her character until next season.

All together this was a well rounded and entertaining finale, satisfying me as an audience member while at the same time throwing me some interesting tidbits to get me to look forward to next season. Well done to TB!

[Penner]

Great stuff, lookin' forward to season 3!

[itadakimasu]

All together this was a well rounded and entertaining finale, satisfying me as an audience member while at the same time throwing me some interesting tidbits to get me to look forward to next season. Well done to TB!

+1

I thought it was a great ep. They spent as much time setting up next season as they did wrapping up this season. I'm curious what Sam is going to find next season... and my wife thinks that Eric was the one who took Bill

[Sapphire]

I think that Eric may have taken Bill too, but I also feel like True Blood is just making us think that to prove us wrong later.

There is also something off about using silver to capture him. Eric himself seems to be someone with too much pride to use such underhanded methods against his own kind. Of course, he tricked Sookie into sucking his blood, but that was more of an intellectual/clever trick than something so crude. I could be entirely wrong though.

[Ryllharu]

The assailant was wearing gloves. While that wouldn't normally be an indicator, a vampire would especially need to wear protection when subduing another vampire. While Eric is more powerful by several centuries, Bill has defied him before, so he must be at least somewhat confident in his own abilities. I don't think Eric has that kind of pride. He's more than willing to use a method which would appear like someone else did it. In any case, there isn't even any evidence that silver was used (since it and Bill went with the assailant).

Then again, it could be whatsherface. She was exiled from Godric's territory, but that doesn't mean she still won't try to win Bill back. She seemed too obsessed with him and sad to give up without another fight.


I'm more worried about Jessica backsliding. Particularly after she and Bill seemed to be understanding each other. Hoyt definitely screwed up by abandoning her after she gave his mother exactly what she deserved.

[Sapphire]

Hmm I see the whole attack a different way.

Of course in vampire world it's probably different but I think sinking your teeth into the mother of your boyfriend (and draining her blood) for shit talking to you (while posessed) is going way overboard lol. Hoyt had every right to be angry about his mother getting attacked; it's his mother - no matter how exasperating - after all. Jessica was going even more overboard by just making out with some guy and "blood-raping" him. I wouldn't forgive her for that if I was Hoyt. She'll probably blame it on "new vampire hormones" when she's inevitably found out.

[Munsu]

Well, are we ready for more True Blood? Show returns on Sunday next week, the 13th.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12xKVQdooPg

May I say it looks mighty fine?

[itadakimasu]

Awesome!!!
I think I need to re-watch season 2 to refresh my memory.

[Sapphire]

I realized that I have no idea how much I'd just been spoiled after about halfway through the video, but I just couldn't stop. Time to get ready for some ultimate decadence.