Naruto Shippuuden Episode 74

[Buffalobiian]

Bill if you really can't figure out what was going on there, then I really don't know what to say. Just a clue it wasn't nature manipulation of any form.

Okay, so that points to chakra manipulation? It does look like the buildup for a rasengan more than anything, so that makes sense.

Which reminds me...new technique = chakra/shape maniuplation + nature manipulation.....I hope next episode doesn't disappoint

And u can't blame Bill for not knowing what was happening there Abdula, i was quite surprised when i saw it in the manga too.

Those words are dangerously tempting me to spoil myself.

[iMUSTbeTHEdevil]

Why doesnt Kakashi take this time to train too? Isnt there something he could be working on rather than just chillin with his book?

And funny that Ino and Choji are on a different team now, musta had to have drop the dead weight....

[Archangel]

I'll say it again we've only seen Kakashi use lightning, water and earth as far as canon material goes and earth is iffy enough already. To hell with that fire ball filler crap. Not like it matters anyway sharingan is an easy enough explanation.

What do u mean? In the very first episodes in the bell training he used a earth jutsu to get sasuke buried

[Buffalobiian]

What do u mean? In the very first episodes in the bell training he used a earth jutsu to get sasuke buried

Also, would you also consider hiding underground until Sakura's Earthquake Punch revealed him to be an earth technique, or a generic one?

[Abdula]

Thats exactly my point, I don't know. There is some discussion about the difference between a technique and a skill. For example Oro's ability to project his voice is thought to be a skill meaning that anyone could learn to do it, similar to walking on water or walking on walls. The technique Oro used to blend with the trees when we first saw him in the forest of death is also thought to be a skill. Anyway like I said it doesn't really matter, he has the sharingan so it doesn't bother me.

[Claire]

Why doesnt Kakashi take this time to train too? Isnt there something he could be working on rather than just chillin with his book?

I believe it's to make sure naruto doesn't hurt himself, no?

[Kraco]

I wonder how long it'll be before we can just post spoilers outright, its the stupid anime only watchers fault for being so stupid and not reading the manga. Fuck you, you ignorant anime watchers, read the manga.

As long as the post doesn't only contain the one sentence: "Manga was better." there's really no basis to go around warning people. Even "this was different in the manga" isn't really a spoiler unless the poster goes on describing how it was different, and the anime would have somehow fixed itself later, and thus the poster would have revealed that fix before its time.

I'm not personally reading the Naruto manga and I won't take actual manga spoilers kindly.

[capoi]

I think we need to admit they need to create additional scene such as sakura and sai watching naruto, soldier pills, sakura and iruka etc. For me its still acceptable. I feel doubt if they didnt doing this, we need to watch 80 episode full of filler whichever happen in original series.

[DarthEnderX]

I guess I'm just not keeping up with the times, I remember when the Naruto anime section existed for the sole purpose of discussing the Naruto anime and pandering for (or even mentioning) the manga would have been harshly frowned upon since it unfairly infringed upon the choice of anime watchers to just watch the anime.

I suppose this is a consequence of the 3 seasons of filler. Now no one cares enough to stand up for the old rules anymore

I wonder how long it'll be before we can just post spoilers outright, its the stupid anime only watchers fault for being so stupid and not reading the manga. Fuck you, you ignorant anime watchers, read the manga.

I feel ya. As one of only a couple anime-only watchers left here, it does get annoying.

While I don't mind when Ab tells how the anime differs from the manga, I really think the contant "That'll be revealed soon" "That's wrong, but I can't say why yet" etc. type comments should be considered spoiling, and the mods should crack down on it.

[KrayZ33]

Also, would you also consider hiding underground until Sakura's Earthquake Punch revealed him to be an earth technique, or a generic one?

remember the chuunin exam? Naruto's finishing move against Neji?


I lol'd back then, but now when you mentioned that I begin to think that it is normal for a ninja to dig holes and tunnels in like 5 seconds... and hide in it.

[Archangel]

Also, would you also consider hiding underground until Sakura's Earthquake Punch revealed him to be an earth technique, or a generic one?

I'm not sure but the one that kakashi used to bury sasuke was definitely a earth jutsu

He does the same thing in this video to naruto ( it's a filler but it's the same jutsu ) and apparetly the summon he did on zabuza was also an earth summoning

Here

It's like the fourth jutsu, u can't miss it.

[Abdula]

For some reason that video refuses to play, but I wouldn't count his summoning as an earth technique. Its a summoning.

Anyway that just leaves that head hunter technique or whatever the name was and since its a low level technique he could just as easily have copied it. The dude has supposedly copied over a thousand jutsus and the jutsus he uses most frequently are lightning and water, so I say lightning and water it is.

[Archangel]

Yeah, he copied those jutsus with the sharingan but he wouldn't be able to perform them unless he had the proper chakra elemental affinities. One of the things that makes kakashi so awesome is that he's able to control 4 different elements, that's some hokage level shit right there.

I'm thinking that in terms of chakra affinity for the elements:

Lightening is his main element, we know that much

Water should be his second element since he used high lever water jutsus when fighting both Zabuza and Kisame

Fire as a third since we've seen him use the fireball jutsu. It wasn't as strong as itachi's for example but it still packet a mean punch

Earth may be in third or fourth place, probably fourth since we've only seen him use the head hunter jutsu and the summoning jutsu ( it is both a nimpo and a doton jutsu, he clearly states it after completing the seals )

[Abdula]

Yeah, he copied those jutsus with the sharingan but he wouldn't be able to perform them unless he had the proper chakra elemental affinities. One of the things that makes kakashi so awesome is that he's able to control 4 different elements, that's some hokage level shit right there.

But you don't know that

[darkmetal505]

Nice video Arch. Reminded me of how awesome the 3rd was.

I'm pretty sure Kakashi's multiple nature techniques are because of his Sharingan. Although wasn't Kakashi supposed to be a genius as well? Maybe he's just badass like that.

[Archangel]

But you don't know that

What do u mean? We've already been told that u need to have an affinity for a certain element to be able to use jutsus related to that element.

You're the one who's assuming that just because he has the sharingan he's able to use jutsus of all elements simply by copying them.

[Abdula]

Sharingan is pointless if you need to have the affinity of every element just so you can copy it.You wouldn't really need some special kekkai genkai ability if you can already use that element.

Secondly it kinda defeats the purpose of the sharingan if you couldn't copy a technique simply because you don't have that affinity. What if you're an Uchiha but you don't know any nature manipulation except fire, or what if you haven't learned any elemental affinity at all. Whats the point then?

And I'm not the only one assuming stuff, you're making assumptions as well. The thing is I'm not the one saying my assumptions are right and you shouldn't be going around making statements like this .

Yeah, he copied those jutsus with the sharingan but he wouldn't be able to perform them unless he had the proper chakra elemental affinities. One of the things that makes kakashi so awesome is that he's able to control 4 different elements, that's some hokage level shit right there.

When you don't know that they're true.

Lastly you read the manga so you should know full well how ill-planned this whole elemental affinity thing is and that kekkai genkais, especially the sharingan, don't operate according to the normal rules.

[Board of Command]

I'm genuinely surprised that the Sakura bedroom scene didn't develop into some hentai thing.

[Archangel]

I'm using the information i have from the anime abdula, don't bring the manga into this.

How would that defeat its purpose? It still allows you to predict your opponents moves, see chakra, use genjutsu, etc... the thing is the biggest hack in the history of anime!!

It would also explain that out of all the sharingan users there were back then kakashi was the only one to get the nickname of "copy ninja".

What am i assuming exactly? We know that he can use 4 elements, that's something we haven't any other character in this anime do.

[Abdula]

I'm using the information i have from the anime abdula, don't bring the manga into this.

First of all if you weren't being an idiot you would understand what I was trying to say here.

How would that defeat its purpose? It still allows you to predict your opponents moves, see chakra, use genjutsu, etc... the thing is the biggest hack in the history of anime!!

Those are other abilities I'm talking specifically about the ability to copy "whatever it sees" and except for the seeing chakra part those are skills any ninja can learn therefore they aren't anything special. The byakugan also has the ability to see "the flow of chakra" so that isn't unique. The special thing about the sharingan is its copy ability.

It would also explain that out of all the sharingan users there were back then kakashi was the only one to get the nickname of "copy ninja".

This is one of the sillier things you have said. Firstly there was an entire clan of Uchiha's long before Kakashi was even born and everyone of them had the ability to copy jutsus. I'm sure Itachi has seen and therefore memorized and copied alot more jutsus than Kakashi has but Itachi is an Uchiha and calling an Uchiha "copy ninja" would be redundant since they could all do it. Kakashi got that nick name because he is the only non Uchiha, to have the ability to copy his opponents jutsus. Lastly by the time Kakashi began gaining notoriety the Uchiha clan had already formed the Konoha Police Force, whose purpose was to police the village thus they never left it and soon after that they were all killed by Itachi.

What am i assuming exactly? We know that he can use 4 elements, that's something we haven't any other character in this anime do.

Right and he is also the only one that actively uses the sharingan's copy ability and you don't know whether or not he could or couldn't use those other elements before he got the sharingan. So why assume him using multiple elements is unrelated to the sharingan. One could make the argument that if it is unrelated to the sharingan and simply a matter of talent we would have seen other people doing it, since Kakashi doesn't have a monopoly on genius.

I also find it funny that you're willing to say that the sharingan is the biggest hax in the history of anime but you don't think it would give its users the ability to copy jutsus regardless of affinity.