Google Chrome

[David75]

this is a beta, and yes it can be considered a hog as of yet.
But when you have more than enough ram and a quick processor/disk and so on... I admitt it's quite fast and interresting to use it.

But yes, I'll eventually switch to my other uses and will also wait for a 1.0 to come out.
But really, this is the first time since I tried maxthon -tabbed browsing for ie6 at the time if I'm correct- that I've been so pleased with a new piece of software.

When I tried FF, maxthon had done the job of showing me neat tab handling... so I wasn't that impressed. Also, I've been a late adopter of FF...

Anyways, I still think having another competitor is fine. So work hard FF and IE!

[KrayZ33]

Anyways, I still think having another competitor is fine. So work hard FF and IE!

it's *google* we are talking about.

if it goes on like this, google will just gain another monopole ^^

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" 11. Content license from you

11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the Services and may be revoked for certain Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those Services.

11.2 You agree that this license includes a right for Google to make such Content available to other companies, organizations or individuals with whom Google has relationships for the provision of syndicated services, and to use such Content in connection with the provision of those services.

11.3 You understand that Google, in performing the required technical steps to provide the Services to our users, may (a) transmit or distribute your Content over various public networks and in various media; and (b) make such changes to your Content as are necessary to conform and adapt that Content to the technical requirements of connecting networks, devices, services or media. You agree that this license shall permit Google to take these actions.

11.4 You confirm and warrant to Google that you have all the rights, power and authority necessary to grant the above license."

[Animeniax]

Google got in trouble a year or so ago for retaining too much information from its user base. I don't know the outcome of the litigation, but it seems they're all about gathering as much data about users as they can, supposedly to "better individualize the web browsing experience". We all know what kind of future this sort of big brother intelligence gathering can lead to. Think 1984, or the eye-scans from Minority Report.

[David75]

Google got in trouble a year or so ago for retaining too much information from its user base. I don't know the outcome of the litigation, but it seems they're all about gathering as much data about users as they can, supposedly to "better individualize the web browsing experience". We all know what kind of future this sort of big brother intelligence gathering can lead to. Think 1984, or the eye-scans from Minority Report.

I answer to Krayz at the same time.

Yup Google is a big brother.
They've been targeted for the EULA and changed it immediately, with retroactive effect.

What I like it the fact they do it open-source. After all, there is someone, somewhere able to understand the code and pinpoint them whenever they cross the line...

[KrayZ33]

What I like it the fact they do it open-source.

this is indeed good, because people can deactivate the annoying stuff this way if they really want to use it, but still... its not faster than Safari and not really better than FF, it takes away more Memory and all in all it's just a mixed version of other browsers right now..

It's nothing new.. so there was no need for them to bring up this new browser, except for one certain reason: to get more info and gain even more money with ads etc. ^^

I don't see their "don't be evil" slogan anymore.. Google is/was great when it came out, it was something totally new which made surfing a lot easier I have to admit I still use it... but this browser isn't something like this.

[Kraco]

That EULA is complete madness. Whoever wrote it should be kicked into the pit.

[Assertn]

Did you leave out the other A?

RIA = Rich Internet Application

did you guys read the terms and conditions when you installed it? I don't like them

Did you guys read Ryllharu's post right above mine?

Oo FF doesn't need "a lot of RAM" it's actually pretty normal... but chrome and the new IE8 do, if you open ~10 sites at once it will use up to 180 RAM at the moment (because it opens a new process everytime you open a new browser window or even tab, which isn't bad btw but it needs a lot of virtual memory)... windows only occupies 150MB... this very is shocking.imho...

As I'm typing this, firefox is occupying 171mb of ram. I have 7 tabs open. It's not unusual for it to occupy closer to +300 mb though.

so if you alrdy complain about FF using too much of your RAM, you shouldn't even try Chrome...

If I force-quit firefox and then reload all the exact same sites, I will have freed up at least half my ram that was used by firefox. This is far worse than using more ram from the get-go. This suggests that there's a memory leak. I don't care if chrome uses more ram, just as long as I can close tabs without quitting the whole app.

[KrayZ33]

RIA = Rich Internet Application
As I'm typing this, firefox is occupying 171mb of ram. I have 7 tabs open. It's not unusual for it to occupy closer to +300 mb though.

it depends on the sites you open... pr0n-sites do need a lot btw.

If I force-quit firefox and then reload all the exact same sites, I will have freed up at least half my ram that was used by firefox. This is far worse than using more ram from the get-go. This suggests that there's a memory leak. I don't care if chrome uses more ram, just as long as I can close tabs without quitting the whole app.

cache maybe?

this has nothing to do with a memory leak... a way to prove it is if you open FF and leave it be... if it occupies more and more ram, _then_ it's a memory leak, but it doesn't so there is nothing wrong with the programming of FF
and if you want to clear the cache your browser use, simply install a addon.. takes like ~2 seconds at least with firefox, because there is this nice "addon" button if you click on Extras

you can even tell it to clear it's cache after it reaches 10MB RAM or so with a certain programm.. however that was with ff2 I don't know if there is one for FF3 alrdy. I think it was called StatusCache (or something)

so just clear your temporary files/cache more often when you are browsing for like 5 hours on different sites... if you don't this will happen with every browser.

and btw, why can't you close tabs without closing FF? I didn't understand that one

[Assertn]

it depends on the sites you open... pr0n-sites do need a lot btw.

No they don't.

cache maybe?

this has nothing to do with a memory leak... a way to prove it is if you open FF and leave it be... if it occupies more and more ram, _then_ it's a memory leak, but it doesn't so there is nothing wrong with the programming of FF
and if you want to clear the cache your browser use, simply install a addon.. takes like ~2 seconds at least with firefox, because there is this nice "addon" button if you click on Extras

you can even tell it to clear it's cache after it reaches 10MB RAM or so with a certain programm.. however that was with ff2 I don't know if there is one for FF3 alrdy. I think it was called StatusCache (or something)

This is incorrect. Closing the browser doesn't remove cache. Being someone who works on web apps on a regular basis, I can safely say this. Most cache exists in the form of files stored on the hard drive, anyway, so that doesn't make any sense in the first place.

The nice thing about chrome, however, is that it can tell you exactly how your memory/cpu is allocated across processes, so you wouldn't even need to draw inferences if you had it installed!

Apps that clear ram only exist if the apps that use the ram fail to garbage collect (aka firefox). The existence of something like StatusCache merely proves how bloated FF3 is.

and btw, why can't you close tabs without closing FF? I didn't understand that one

I can, but it doesn't accomplish anything.


Also, for the record....haven't closed firefox since my last post, and my ram usage is now 190 mb.

[KrayZ33]

then

1. type about:config
2. right mous click : New -> Boolean
3. type in "config.trim_on_minimize"
4. choose "true"
5. if there is a new entry, it works
6. restart firefox
7. problem solved.

I've never had this problem (maybe because I use a modified version and my ram goes rarely *that* high up.. actually it didn't even once yet) but this should fix it.

which version of FF did or do you use actually?

and it *must* have to do with the browser-cache.
because if you minimize your FF now if you don't need it, it should clear it with this config edit.


edit: 1 sec I made a few pics.



this is my Firefox using after a bit of browsing BEFORE the edit, 7 sites open at the moment.. however I was on other sites as well..~85 MB RAM (if I remember the pic correctly)



this is Firefox after I minimized every window... it really deletes everything then, i guess... however it startedf to use more and more RAM. (I thought I failed at first ^^)

edit: I just noticed that I posted the same picture twice.. the third picture was meant to show the same picture as in the second, however FF did take up to ~54MB ram...
this is Firefox after some seconds again and it stopped right here... so this is the same result I (and you) get after force-quitting FF and restart it + have it reloading the same pages again..just this time you only had to minimize it... if you browse with tabs it's only one click then.


So I guess it has to do with FF saving everything, even stuff from the sites you visited 2 hours ago or something.


but it's a fact that the ram doesn't rise if you do *nothing* (if you are AFK for example...) however if you continue to work with it later,I guess it will add more and more and use more and more RAM...

[BurnHavoc]

I'm enjoying chrome. For a beta, it's amazing. I'd like to see fixes like facebook ACTUALLY working, recognizing RSS feeds, maybe some communication with other google products like Google Desktop and Picasa... etc

My IE7 vs Chrome comparison:



I have issues with firefox bloat as it is, so I don't have it installed. (The worst offense firefox has going is how much MORE memory it eats if I leave it open with several tabs going for a few hours then try to use it. I actually grabbed Chrome based solely on the garbage collection promises)

And the EULA? Fix't, but yeah that was massive fail on their part.

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Google_r...om_Chrome_EULA

[Animeniax]

Ugh, too blue and care-bearish for me. How can you guys complain about memory usage in an age of 4GB PC systems and dirt cheap RAM?

I don't know if Firefox reads system specs, but that's a little too much info for my web browser to be collecting (and uploading to the big brother server at Google headquarters).

[Assertn]

I had left 8 tabs open overnight, and just now closed each one except for this gotwoot one.

The ram usage from firefox went from 277 -> 285 - > 240
One tab open (vbulletin forum, no less), and its still fluctuating between 240-245mb.
Closing tabs did practically nothing.

Then I force quit firefox, and reopen the gotwoot tab.
Ram usage is now at 70mb.

Doesn't this strike you as.......bad?
I don't really know how much more obvious I can make it...there's simply no other explanation for why this would happen other than firefox isn't managing its ram properly.

[Animeniax]

Well it's open source for a reason. Don't gripe about it here man, go post this on the Mozilla forums and get it fixed.

I'll buy Google stock when they dip under $400, but I won't use their browser.

[Assertn]

Well it's open source for a reason. Don't gripe about it here man, go post this on the Mozilla forums and get it fixed.

Good idea. I'm sure nobody's thought to complain about firefox being a memory hog in their forum before!

[KrayZ33]

I told you how to fix it..and the problem that it uses more and more ram overnight is probably ur fault... because I don't have such a problem... i could leave it open and it wouldn't go up over ~50MB if I minimize my tabs.. maybe some kind of virus?


and btw the Federal Office for Information Security (BSI) in germany said that that google chrome has serious security gaps/holes and shouldn't be used by the masses

and other security companies did say the same...
http://www.crn.com/security/210500382


btw did you clear your historys sometimes?
and you can always reduce the amount of cache you allow firefox to use... (about:cache)
or the amount of sites FF saves when browsing back and forward.

and... if all that doesn't work.. you can configure it to close and restart (with all your sites again) itself automatically.

[Abdula]

KrayZ, Assertn isn't the only one who has that problem I have it too and I believe someone else mentioned having a similar problem, Burnhavoc mentioned it on this very same page. Albeit its not as much of a big deal as Assertn is making it out to be but the problem is there.

[KrayZ33]

http://support.mozilla.com/de/kb/Session+Restore

then follow these instructions if you don't want to switch your browser to Safari or something...

edit: one moment ^^ it's not the whole article

ok can't find it anymore... there is a way you can restart firefox every few hours or minutes (as you wish) and have it reload your tabs if you do it... I'll try to find it out myself or to find the article

edit2: ok nevermind that was an addon.or something well... I doubt that you need it if you followed the other instructions and tipps I mentioned before.

summary

Clear your histories frequently (and do not save it for 90 days... standard preference)
Reduce the Cache you allow FF to use or the amount of sites FF saves when browsing back and forward.
Or do that "clear cache when you minimize FF" trick I posted before.


edit3: some of those tipps (and maybe even more) can be found here http://support.mozilla.com/de/kb/High+memory+usage
It seems like not everyone has this high memory usage, I don't know why.

maybe you guys should just create a new profile and import your bookmarks and passwords etc...

or you just install a pre-configured profile, like I did ^^

[Animeniax]

I told you how to fix it..and the problem that it uses more and more ram overnight is probably ur fault... because I don't have such a problem... i could leave it open and it wouldn't go up over ~50MB if I minimize my tabs.. maybe some kind of virus?


and btw the Federal Office for Information Security (BSI) in germany said that that google chrome has serious security gaps/holes and shouldn't be used by the masses

and other security companies did say the same...
http://www.crn.com/security/210500382


btw did you clear your historys sometimes?
and you can always reduce the amount of cache you allow firefox to use... (about:cache)
or the amount of sites FF saves when browsing back and forward.

and... if all that doesn't work.. you can configure it to close and restart (with all your sites again) itself automatically.

assertn doesn't like shit to work so he can keep griping about it. When you live a fabulous Hollywood life, you have to have something to gripe about.

[Assertn]

Well the memory caching thing is one thing I can look into, but the rest merely perpetuates the exact conversation we've been having earlier, in that (as explicitly stated in the first paragraph) yes there are memory leaks, and yes the reliance of plugins to solve a problem with the original app is ridiculous. You're not supposed to distribute a product to millions of users, and then expect them to fix it themselves.

@Animeniax: It's completely subjective to imply that a resource hog should never have a noticeable impact on the performance of the user's computer. I have 2 gigs on my imac and I run multiple apps that (justifiably so), consume a lot of ram already. I can't afford my browser to become yet another bloated app. When I am forced to close all my browser tabs so my other apps can run properly even though I need my browser while I'm doing my work, I'm not happy.

Also, lol @ KrayZ's suggestion of a virus for mac that artificially bloats firefox.