Naruto Shipudden Episode 73

[ASSpirine]

It's sad that we only get to see the Fire country, Wind country and a little bit of sound and when we're lucky, some water. But where the hell are the other countries?...

[Abdula]

There is no sound country, and we never got to see the sound village either. If you're refering to Jiraiya, Naruto and Sakura going after Sasuke after he left the village that was filler.

I always wondered why it's called the "fire country" when actually only a few people use fire techniques..

When I started to watch Naruto and they explained the 5(?) Different countrys, I thought of it to be similiar to "Avatar: The Last Airbender"... people in Konoha mainly using fire techniques (like Sasuke), Land of Water using Water Techniques like Zabuza or Kisame...

I was fine with it when they also use different elements... but for some reason Konoha seems to be the only country which uses earth, lightning, fire, water, wind, water techniques without limitations...

Its rather simple KrayZ, the Uchiha clan were probably one of if not the largest clan and they were all fire users. Konoha isn't the only country that has ninjas that use different elements that I'm sure of, heck we went to the Wind Country and we only saw two wind users Baki and Temari, neither of which were involved in the rescue Gaara arc.

While that may have worked for Avatar, I'm sure you could see how it wouldn't work for ninjas. Ninjas are supposed to be very well versed and easily able to adapt to any situation, that couldn't be possible if they specialized in only one area. What were a bunch of fire ninjas going to do if they were attacked by water ninjas etc. So they would ofcourse become more diverse

Anyway what ever gave you guys the idea that the country was named based on what its people could do rather than on geographical features. The land of waves, was a small island, the sand village is in the middle of the desert, the hidden leaf village is in a forest. If the villages are named based on their geographical features, what made you guys think that the names of the countries would be based on anything else

[KrayZ33]

Anyway what ever gave you guys the idea that the country was named based on what its people could do rather than on geographical features. The land of waves, was a small island, the sand village is in the middle of the desert, the hidden leave village is in a forest. If the villages are named based on their geographical features, what made you guys think that the names of the countries would be based on anything else

well because they got stuff to train with there .. for example you need water to use water jutsus and maybe the surroundings determine the affinity a child has in some way... so like 80% of the people who live near water all the time are good with water-jutsu

While that may have worked for Avatar, I'm sure you could see how it wouldn't work for ninjas. Ninjas are supposed to be very well versed and easily able to adapt to any situation, that couldn't be possible if they specialized in only one area. What were a bunch of fire ninjas going to do if they were attacked by water ninjas etc. So they would ofcourse become more diverse

well if it works for Avatar, why not for Ninjas...? The fire country had to fight people of the water countries in Avatar too, and they had no problem with doing so.

and it's not like I want them to learn only "water" or "fire" techniques... even if the "village of the sound" isn't a real hidden village, we've seen a lot of sound based jutsus from there. not only from the 3 genins, but also from that red-haired girl with the flute.

actually I wonder what makes you think the opposite? yet a huge amount of other countries jutsus were based on the countries name...

[DarthEnderX]

I love that Kakuzu is from the Hidden Falls. They always had my favorite headband and it sucks that the only thing they've ever done with that village was an OVA.

If the villages are named based on their geographical features, what made you guys think that the names of the countries would be based on anything else

But that doesn't make any sense either. Since the Fire Country doesn't appear to be covered in volcanoes or...you know...on fire. And somehow, I doubt the Lightning Country is like the Thunder Plains in FFX.

I don't think puppets count...

Well, if it was just water tanks and napalm tanks, then no, but its magic scrolls that provide the water and the fire, so I'd say it counts as a jutsu.

When they said that Naruto had the "rare" wind, I think they mean it's rare for people from Konoha. Think they got lots of them in the wind country.

I assumed that was the case also. That Wind users are probably common in the Hidden Sand, but rare elsewhere. Likewise, pretty much everyone we've seen from the Hidden Mist has been a water user.

[Abdula]

I love that Kakuzu is from the Hidden Falls. They always had my favorite headband and it sucks that the only thing they've ever done with that village was an OVA.

That was an Ova it has nothing to do with the canon material. Just forget you ever saw it. I really have no idea why they decided to use that village anyway, why not just make up some crappy new village like they usually do.

But that doesn't make any sense either.Since the Fire Country doesn't appear to be covered in volcanoes or...you know...on fire.

And you know this because you've seen so much of the fire country right..........

And somehow, I doubt the Lightning Country is like the Thunder Plains in FFX.

Actually, ah never mind.

Well, if it was just water tanks and napalm tanks, then no, but its magic scrolls that provide the water and the fire, so I'd say it counts as a jutsu.I assumed that was the case also.

No, the puppets don't count

That Wind users are probably common in the Hidden Sand, but rare elsewhere. Likewise, pretty much everyone we've seen from the Hidden Mist has been a water user.

Because you've seen what, four ninjas from the hidden mist village. You guys are making alot of assumptions based on things you just don't know.


@KrayZ because it just makes much more damn sense if the country is named based on its geographical characteristics rather than the abilites of some of its ninjas. For one thing the countries are massive and before the villages were founded it was made of a number of clans, so naming it the fire country because say the Uchihas use fire techniques when the Uchiha are just a very small part of the population of the country doesn't make sense, might as well name it the shadow country because of the Nara clan or Byakugan country because the Hyuuga were supposedly one of the largest ninja clans.

I emphasize ninja clans because you guys seem to be forgetting that the countries in Naruto are supposed to be massive and each country only has one ninja village, so ninjas make up a very small part of the population. All they are is the country's military force, so again it wouldn't make sense naming a country based on what a small number of people can do.

Secondly all the speculation about whether wind affinity is rare in the leaf and common in the sand or whether one affinity is common in a particular country or not wouldn't be an issue if the countries were named based on their geographical characteristics.

Also I'm pretty sure this was discussed before along with the whole Kage thing. You know each kage represents an element.......

[KrayZ33]

so naming it the fire country because say the Uchihas use fire techniques when the Uchiha are just a very small part of the population of the country doesn't make sense, might as well name it the shadow country because of the Nara clan or Byakugan country because the Hyuuga were supposedly one of the largest ninja clans.

It's not like the country has to be named after the ninja techniques, but the ninjas use ninja techniques which are named after their country...

thats why I thought they are more fire users in the fire country... it has nothing to do with ninjas who decided to call the land "fire country" but rather with ninjas who decide to "represent their *fire* country" with *fire-jutsus*.. or if the country is really called so because of geographical reasons, it would be even more meaningful and useful if they use fire techniques.

I don't see a problem there...who said that they can not name it because of geographical reasons?
but it's actually funny that we saw so many water, mud and ice jutsus from the mist country... its just *normal* to assume that the name of the country have to do something with the ninja-jutsus as well, simply because it happened so early in the story.

"oh Zabuza uses water techniques... water clone, water dragon, water prison.. Haku uses Ice... it's water too, well I guess thats normal for ninjas in the Mist country.. it's like the name says"

Btw the demon brothers "hid" in a puddle when they wanted to kill Naruto and the others.. why a puddle? because in the water country, there are lots of puddles... noone would care for one more or one less, in the fire country however it seems to be a different case.

so if their homeland is surrounded by water, it would be reasonable if they are trained in water-jutsus, the reason is obvious.. they have the advantage there then...It's always more helpfull if you can use your surroundings as a ninja.

[Buffalobiian]

My take on this:

Ninja's elemental disposition may vary from country to country, and it may be that this disposition is stronger in some areas compared to others, hence the naming of the countries. Basically, "I'm not sure if Fire country is because they have lots of fire users."

What I do know is that all the countries, all the clans and such have their own secrets, including all their secret techniques which aren't suppose to be known by other countries. Or rather, know-how-to-be-used by other countries. These techniques may be centered around certain elements, and the country's name based on this.

If we use that logic, then it means that each country doesn't necessarily have more specific elemental users than others, but those who do happen to be, say, fire users from the fire country would be reknowned for having more powerful techniques. Hence, in a way, the Fire country will in time be known for their Fire Shinobi.

Of course, this is on just as shaky (or not) foundation as the other ideas that have popped up.

[Abdula]

Oh nice theory Bill.

thats why I thought they are more fire users in the fire country... it has nothing to do with ninjas who decided to call the land "fire country" but rather with ninjas who decide to "represent their *fire* country" with *fire-jutsus*.. or if the country is really called so because of geographical reasons, it would be even more meaningful and useful if they use fire techniques.

You make it sound as if they have a choice KrayZ. If they have fire affinity they will ofcourse use fire techniques, if they don't then they can't.

but it's actually funny that we saw so many water, mud and ice jutsus from the mist country... its just *normal* to assume that the name of the country have to do something with the ninja-jutsus as well, simply because it happened so early in the story.

"oh Zabuza uses water techniques... water clone, water dragon, water prison.. Haku uses Ice... it's water too, well I guess thats normal for ninjas in the Mist country.. it's like the name says"

Uh, right and there is no one from the fire country who used fire techniques right........There was a whole clan of people who were famous for the mastery of fire techniques, because Itachi killed them doesn't mean they never existed.

Btw the demon brothers "hid" in a puddle when they wanted to kill Naruto and the others.. why a puddle? because in the water country, there are lots of puddles... noone would care for one more or one less, in the fire country however it seems to be a different case.

I don't get what you're trying to say here. Anyway We've seen more fire users from the fire country than anywhere else, as a matter of fact have we seen anyone who isn't from the fire country use a fire jutsu?

Anyway like I said this is simply a numbers game, you say it seems like every ninja in the mist village uses water techniques but we've only seen five ninjas from the mist village and four of them used water techniques. On the other hand we've seen more than four fire users from the fire country, its just that we've seen alot more ninjas from the fire country than any other country so its natural that they would be a more diverse group.

Anyway, a little way down the road we'll look back on this and have a good laugh.

[KrayZ33]

I don't get what you're trying to say here. Anyway We've seen more fire users from the fire country than anywhere else, as a matter of fact have we seen anyone who isn't from the fire country use a fire jutsu?

I wanted to make clear that people from the water country use water techniques, because it's a big advantage in their homecountry... and that was just an example why it is an advantage if they create water to hide in. (nobody would notice another puddle if you spot one every 2 meters, in konoha this might be different.)


and I've never said that there are no fire users in Konoha, I've seen one during the chuunin exam (he weared sunglasses and was pretty cool btw ^^)

btw who is the 5th guy from the water country who didn't use water techniques? (fillers not included)
and I can't believe that it's just coincidence that (nearly?) all enemys out of the "water country" used water techniques so far.
I don't think the story writer made them come out of that country just by chance...

[Abdula]

I wanted to make clear that people from the water country use water techniques, because it's a big advantage in their homecountry... and that was just an example why it is an advantage if they create water to hide in.

Uh thats exactly my point. You don't know that and like I said before if they can or can't use water techniques is not a choice. If they have water affinity they will ofcourse use water techniques.

and I've never said that there are no fire users in Konoha, I've seen one during the chuunin exam (he weared sunglasses and was pretty cool btw ^^)

Right and we've also seen, water users, wind users, earth users and lightning users. See my point?

btw who is the 5th guy from the water country who didn't use water techniques? (fillers not included)

Uh, Kimimaro.

and I can't believe that it's just coincidence that (nearly?) all enemys out of the "water country" used water techniques so far.
I don't think the story writer made them come out of that country just by chance...

No I don't think it was by chance, but like I said I think you're assuming way too much based just on that.

[KrayZ33]

Uh thats exactly my point. You don't know that and like I said before if they can or can't use water techniques is not a choice. If they have water affinity they will ofcourse use water techniques.

thats simply not true... the affinity has nothing to do with someone not being able to learn an element... it's just that it's easier for him to learn that certain element..

if you are Naruto for example, you would learn wind jutsus with 120% fire jutsu with 100% water with 100% earth with 100% and so on... they didn't say that it is impossible to learn other elements... in fact, if i remember correctly, you can learn every element but everyone has a special one.

Kakashi used fire/earth/lightning and even water... I bet he is able to use wind too.

Uh, Kimimaro.

He did never visit the normal ninja school... he was hold captive if I remember correctly and was later trained by Orochimaru who is one of the "mist-guys"


and to make it clear, I don't want 100% of konoha's ninjas to use only fire techniques, it's just that I thought it would be the "basic" for them to learn fire techniques in ninja-schools first.

so their "basic" techniques are mainly fire based.. and then they either specialize
in it or learn another one.

[Abdula]

thats simply not true... the affinity has nothing to do with someone not being able to learn an element... it's just that it's easier for him to learn that certain element..

if you are Naruto for example, you would learn wind jutsus with 120% fire jutsu with 100% water with 100% earth with 100% and so on... they didn't say that it is impossible to learn other elements... in fact, if i remember correctly, you can learn every element but everyone has a special one.

Uh, I think we should take this up again at a later time. When we're all on the same page.

He did never visit the normal ninja school... he was hold captive if I remember correctly and was later trained by Orochimaru.

Uh, Haku?
Oh and I think being trained by Orochimaru beats going to a ninja academy anyday.

[DarthEnderX]

Well, like was said, there's only a couple examples. But we can only make assumptions based on what has been shown. In the cast of Mist Ninjas, they've either been Water users, or they used non-elemental ninjutsu.

Also, they showed a whole bunch of generic Konoha fire users during the Konoha Crush.

And you know this because you've seen so much of the fire country right.

Uh, yes. The Sasuke chase arc takes place on a path from Konoha in the middle of the country, all the way to the border of the Sound. That's a straight line through half the country. What was in that arc? Endless miles of forests and a waterfall. No volcanoes.

I mean, hell, even the "Fire Temple" which you would assume is somehow important to the Fire Country, is just on top of a normal mountain.

[KrayZ33]

whats your "UH" stuff about?

and it doesn't matter if Orochimaru is a better teacher than a chuunin out of certain country... if he decides to not train him water techniques because he needs him to use something different, then fine

that doesn't mean that the teachers in the "water country" do the same..

and what has Haku to do with this right now? (he uses ice -> water+wind)

Uh, I think we should take this up again at a later time. When we're all on the same page.

well doesn't kakashi use every element? I've seen him using earth during the first ~3 episodes or so, then water against zabuza, lighting against zabuza, fire against naruto and sakura.

and btw its funny that you say "when we are all on the same page".... it's fine if you know more than me because of the manga, but don't you make me look like I'm talking nonesense, because right now, it makes perfect sense.

[Abdula]

Uh, I give up. Way too much misinformation here.
We'll have to continue this later.

Is there any other subject you guys want to talk about, ofcourse you can continue with this if you wish but I won't be participating.

[KrayZ33]

Uh, then simply say what is wrong, but don't use the manga... OOPS you can't right?
it's not my fault that every single mist ninja who used an element and grew up in the hidden village of mist, used water jutsus thus it's just normal to assume that other countries (unlike konoha) are good in using their "country element" (or at least they use it, whether they are good in it or not)



no offense man, I totally hate you at the moment :P

[DarthEnderX]

Uh,

I really liked how worn out Yamato was. He really seems to crave Kakashi's approval and goes all out trying to impress him.

[Abdula]

Lol, Kray. I would say what I think is wrong but there is alot and I'm tired. Oh and it isn't about spoiling just differences between the manga and anime that will have to be addressed. More or less just little add ins, that weren't in the manga but are in the anime that affect the story.

and btw its funny that you say "when we are all on the same page".... it's fine if you know more than me because of the manga, but don't you make me look like I'm talking nonesense, because right now, it makes perfect sense.

Um its nothing like that, and its not about knowing more that you. Even if I had read only up to the same point in the manga that this episode was based on, there are still things that are very different. For example no where, in the manga has Kakashi ever used a fire jutsu.

Uh,

I really liked how worn out Yamato was. He really seems to crave Kakashi's approval and goes all out trying to impress him.

Uh yeah, its hilarious and Kakashi knowing that keeps pushing him.

it's not my fault that every single mist ninja who used an element and grew up in the hidden village of mist, used water jutsus thus it's just normal to assume that other countries (unlike konoha) are good in using their "country element" (or at least they use it, whether they are good in it or not)

Um KrayZ, all these edits are hard to keep up with Thing is, thus far, the mist village seems to be the only village like that.

[KrayZ33]

Um KrayZ, all these edits are hard to keep up with Thing is, thus far, the mist village seems to be the only village like that.

Ya I suck in writing texts, every time I post, another thing comes into my mind...
btw stop that "Uh, Um" shit, we are not writing an ero-novel here 8[

edit: (see`?)

is the affinity a person becomes determined by his persons?
since there is a whole clan using fire techniques (or at least are known for using them?) namely Uchiha, it means that they all have a affinity towards fire if I understood you correctly, when you said "

If they have fire affinity they will ofcourse use fire techniques, if they don't then they can't.

"

I simply don't think this is true, isn't Sasuke's element he is good with, lightning? Yet he can use fire to... I think that everyone is able to learn every element, it's just that a certain element is easier to learn for them.

Uh yeah, its hilarious and Kakashi knowing that keeps pushing him.

btw yamato was the first ninja who *really* looked and sounded exhausted imho.. That didn't happen often yet in my opinion... most of the time it's more like "Argh I'm so wounded yet I can crawl without problems, I just have to endure the pain!"..

I know that Yamato "overdid" it a bit with his coughing maybe, but actually I'd prefer it if they show something like that more often. It's a bit boring if they just fall unconscious (naruto) or breath a *bit* heavier (as if they just ran 200 meters and have to catch up a bit)... I want to see them hugging the ground more often ^^ or coughing as if someone punched them into the stomach. So far, nearly everyone just kept moving like a mummy even if they were at their limits

*done with editing*

[Abdula]

I've been mulling it over KrayZ, wondering how I should respond and I can't figure out how.

So I'll just say that Yes the Uchiha's are known for their talents with fire jutsus and Kakashi mentioned that ninjas at Jounin level are usually able to use two elements, Sasuke being a genius was simply able to acquire a second element sooner than other people would.

Hopefully you'll let me get away with just that, for now?