Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood

[Ryllharu]

The Greek is Χίμαιρα (chi, stressed iota, mu, diphthong of alpha and iota, rho, alpha). So if I remember the pheonetics of Greek (close enough to Latin), the proper pronounciation should be Kye-me-rah, similiar to what Buff posted.

(The transition between 'me' and 'rah' is soft. 'αι' should be a falling diphthong, the way 'eye' is in English.)

[Cal_kashi]

I always thought it was pronounced kye-mare-ra, while the Japanese pronounced it Shi-mer-ra. Meh, like you said, we seem to stress the middle syllable. I hesitated to use the term because the definition I was taught is that a mythical Chimera was a mixed animal of a certain combination, ie lion, snake and goat.

What Tucker said did bring up a good point though. Many significant medical advances took place either during a war, an epidemic, or was experimented on people inhumanely (eg on POW). Only when people died could we find ways to save others.

These days, we've got Ethics Committees and stuff. Is that "progress" in terms of humanity, or is it an "obstacle"? In Ed's words "There's only so much you can do transmutating animals."

This law of equivalent exchange thing is depressing.

The war argument isn't acceptable in my opinion, there's no reason the same advances couldn't have been made in a more humane way. If anything it's just an excuse to justify the horrible actions taken.
It's also very similar to the torture debate going on in the US right now. Maybe sometimes torture can yield results, but A) you don't know if the information is valid. B) You don't know if it could have been gotten in a more humane way. And C) it's NEVER worth compromising the values of the nation in order to save some lives. It just makes the entire country more worthless.

[Buffalobiian]

And C) it's NEVER worth compromising the values of the nation in order to save some lives. It just makes the entire country more worthless.

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The war argument isn't acceptable in my opinion, there's no reason the same advances couldn't have been made in a more humane way. If anything it's just an excuse to justify the horrible actions taken.

As you said in your torture argument, there's no guarantee that doing things a certain way will or will not get the same results. But how about things like testing a person's maximum pain tolerance (ie till death?), time for them to suffocate, minimum survivable blood pressure to list a few. They might be accomplished with less extreme methods, but how long would that take? As you said, we can't guarantee. How many more people would have died due to this lack of knowledge because we did things the longer humane way?

In my original post, I wasn't saying it's right. Just that that's what happened, regardless of whether war was an excuse or a cause.

[Cal_kashi]

I guess that's a more appropriate forum for this discussion so I'll stop after this and head over there. (Been away for a while). I don't disagree it sped up what was discovered, or that a slower discovery could have resulted in more deaths. But I don't think the moral and ethical cost of the actions can ever justify what was gained.

I understand now. Originally I thought there was a sentiment that the results in some way shape or form lessened the atrocities committed. It was this sentiment that I was rallying against vehemently.

Anyways. This episode really changes things doesn't it? Since Tucker is dead, and Ed didn't see Basque Grand die. I'm actually more excited now for what's coming than I was before. Especially since I've avoided the manga since I heard about this series.

[Abdula]

I was ambivalent about continuing this series. While the overall production quality is much greater than the last series, for whatever reason I'm not as into this series as I thought I would be. There is just no attachment to the characters and the scenes themselves have little to no impact. Though I suppose that is all because of the pacing of the previous episodes.

This episode however was different. They took the time to introduce Tucker and Nina and develop them a bit, and for once I actually sympathized with Ed and Al. So yeah this episode gave me some hope for the upcoming episodes, although I'm still not sure I won't just pass on them and wait until this series gets around to the new material.

There is something else that is kinda of bothering me. I let it slide in the first episode, and even in the last episode when Ed fought Cornello but I noticed it again in this episode when Scar was fighting Basque Gran. The fighting so far has really been terrible, its nothing like what I remember the fight scenes being in FMA. It just seems so Naruto-esque and not in a good way either.


Also I'm not quite sure how I feel about them skipping over the coal mine incident. Yeah it wasn't a big plot point, but Lieutenant Yoki plays a more significant or at the very least a more apparent role in this series so we should have at least been introduced to him.

Btw I think it's funny that you guys hate Tucker so much. I'm very interested to see what your reactions will be to some of the stuff that comes later in the series.

[Archangel]

Maybe it just feels like this to me because i watched the previous anime and read the manga but doesn't anyone think they're rushing the story a bit too much?

Btw I think it's funny that you guys hate Tucker so much. I'm very interested to see what your reactions will be to some of the stuff that comes later in the series.

There aren't gonna bed any more little girl homicides on this series so i'm wondering what the hell you mean by that ...

[Ryllharu]

Maybe it just feels like this to me because i watched the previous anime and read the manga but doesn't anyone think they're rushing the story a bit too much?

They are definitely rushing it. The pacing on the first three episodes was pretty bad, and they've been alluding to things that they have obviously cut out. This episode was the first one that didn't feel like it was sliced apart and skipped things, aside from telling us that we're not going to see whatever happened in the mining town.

The general consensus is that they are rushing through the beginning material that the original series covered more than adequately to waste less time getting to the altered material so that BONES can finish all of the content in a decent number of episodes.


Watch what you say Archie, manga or talk of future events that were covered in the first run of FMA are heavily discouraged by Munsu.

[Archangel]

Yeah, the fact that they skipped the mining city episode annoyed me a bit. It's gonna be hard for someone to keep up with the show if they don't watch the first "season".

I would hardly classify the lack of infanticide in an anime as a spoiler

[Ryllharu]

But now I've been spoiled knowing that for the remainder of the series, [there are no "little girl homocides"] as you put it.

Knowing that a particular something isn't going to happen is the same as knowing that a particular event happens. It is confirmation of future events one way or the other.

[Buffalobiian]

I'm not having trouble keeping up with this show. (FMA noob I am).

Like Ryll said, the first 3 eps felt sort of rushed. Rushed in the sense that things were simply "Yep, glossed over that, move on". It wasn't until this episode where they elaborated enough on any one character (besides Ed/Al, but it wasn't enough in ep 2) to form any real bond, and hence emotional impact.

I'm not so worried about how this compares to the first FMA series, but more so how it compares to the original manga material, and living up to the claim "being faithful to the manga". That, of course, is taboo here.

[Sapphire]

Wow Guys - Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood is already on Hulu.com

This is literally the fastest I've ever seen a Japanese anime officially subbed and put online freely for American viewage. They even subbed the OP (though they forgot to translate it..). Of course fansubs are still generally better, but I think this is actually viable competition for the fansubbers, if it isn't already (at least America wise).

It's less surprising that they picked a mainstream anime though. I will be totally shocked if/when they pick something like Basquash/Queen of Blade to sub... ahh

[Yukimura]

Never heard of Crunchyroll? Kurogane no Linebarrel, Tower of Druaga S2, Skip Beat, Naruto Shippuuden, Blassreiter, and probably other shows I've never heard of are/were all simulcast worldwide via Crunchyroll at essentially the same time they aired in Japan (to within a few hours). Hulu by comparison seems to be two eps behind on Brotherhood. I'd hardly call that competition considering at least half of the groups oversubbing Brotherhood release within 24 hours of the eps airing.

[Munsu]

Looks like it's a couple of episodes behind. Who's subbing it?

[Sapphire]

I guess Funimation people are subbing it, Munsu?

Oh right I forgot about CrunchyRoll. But CrunchyRoll is literally a site oriented towards anime and Asian media, so I put it in a different category with stuff like aznv.tv.

The point is that though it's one or two weeks behind, it's being aired on a site like Hulu and being bluntly exposed to a lot of people who aren't looking to watch anime in the first place. CrunchyRoll picked a bunch of fairly new anime that only the rabid anime fan or manga fan would know about while Hulu picked a pretty good anime with long standing popularity and wide recognition. I expect this would drastically increase viewage and maybe even general interest in anime.

[Yukimura]

You're right, no one but the 'rabid fandom' knew about Naruto or Skip Beat before Crunchyroll came along. Maybe a few curious people will stumble upon FMA Brotherhood who wouldn't otherwise watch Cartoon Network and see [adultswim] commercials for it but I don't think this is the beginning of the second anime revolution or anything. Just for the sake of argument FMA Brotherhood is a brand new anime just like all the other 'officially' streamed shows available across the internet. Just because it's a retelling of another anime that turned out to be popular among non and new anime fans doesn't mean it will automatically absorb the popularity of the original, especially among viewers unfamiliar with the original, only time will tell.

[meller]

Episode 05 is available - some rumours say it's subbed by Eclipse - :

EP 05

The strange mixture betweeen serious action/humour is still ongoing.

kr,

[Cal_kashi]

The animation seemed a lot better today, especially in the Ishbal fight.
I also like how dark Scar is (personality). Good episode, it flew by as fast as this week's bleach didn't.

[Ryllharu]

some rumours say it's subbed by Eclipse - :

The torrent is labeled "ShinsenSubsSuck" on tokyotosho. But it's not shinsen either, since their translator left after the C&D letters. It's not Eclipse, it is just another speedsub.

EDIT:
This would be why it's definitely not Eclipse.
[Eclipse] Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood - 05 (1280x720 h264)
[Eclipse] Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood - 05 (xvid)

[salmonman78]

uhhh, I got the 1280x720 and having issues playing the sub/audio and picture aren't matching up. Friggin fustrating as I loved the first one now cant seem to get this to work.

Edit: Managed to find the lower res 848x480 and works fine, guess its just my laptop unable to handle the higher res. Awesome espisode cant wait for the rest to finish

[Buffalobiian]

1) Use a better computer
2) Try VLC
3) Get a lower def release

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