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    Just try to be as precise as posible but if you drink slightly 1-2 day a week you should say that you dont do it. This prevents from having a check mark at the heavy drinker box when you have medical examination for the company. I had to clarify this misunderstanding with my boss 3 years ago.
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    Yeah, it certainly depends on the situation just like that. If officially asked if you drink, it means almost certainly a drinking problem or a potential problem to keep an eye on. Otherwise it should simply mean that somebody wants to know if he needs to fill your glass.

    But then again, asking here about semantics means you do have a drinking problem. But of course we already knew that, Bill.

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    I just don't understand why everyone feels the need to get so uppity and defensive about a given product. It's been around for as long as I can remember, and I've certainly been guilty of it on occasion. SNES versus Genesis, Xbox360 versus PS3, Mac versus PC. Toyota versus any American automaker, Android versus iPhone, etc.

    But for some reason, it seems worse these days. Like they've got their entire personal reputation on the line. If it isn't #1 in everyone else's mind, they'll just die. Before it was like, "Sonic sucks," versus "Mario is lame," and left at that. Now they'll go so far as to act as individual PR managers. Twisting stories and switching their opinion on an issue in the opposite direction from month to month just to maintain allegiance. Anyone who would dare insult their chosen product/service must clearly be either: a fanboy of [opposing product], or a "corporate shill."

    Sometimes it feels like people are worshiping their chosen set of products rather than evaluating anything objectively.

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    Marks has said that men lost their feelings towards each other and shifted it to products.
    we lost our ability to connect to other people, and recreated it in connecting to objects.
    I'm not sure what the english terms for this are... maybe Objectification men and personifying products?

    (check this out, I brought up Marks in an online arguments! that's half the checklist of getting a degree, isn't it?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu View Post
    I just don't understand why everyone feels the need to get so uppity and defensive about a given product. It's been around for as long as I can remember, and I've certainly been guilty of it on occasion. SNES versus Genesis, Xbox360 versus PS3, Mac versus PC. Toyota versus any American automaker, Android versus iPhone, etc.

    But for some reason, it seems worse these days. Like they've got their entire personal reputation on the line. If it isn't #1 in everyone else's mind, they'll just die. Before it was like, "Sonic sucks," versus "Mario is lame," and left at that. Now they'll go so far as to act as individual PR managers. Twisting stories and switching their opinion on an issue in the opposite direction from month to month just to maintain allegiance. Anyone who would dare insult their chosen product/service must clearly be either: a fanboy of [opposing product], or a "corporate shill."

    Sometimes it feels like people are worshiping their chosen set of products rather than evaluating anything objectively.
    I think it's perhaps the idea of "belonging" to some sort of camp - and the need to show that the "camp" you're in is the best one.

    eg. I'm in the iPad camp. iPads are better than laptops. Because I recognise that, I'm better than those in the laptop camps. You must know this, and acknowledge me.

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    In my views, this is the fine result of very successful corporate advertising.

    Nowadays, the corporations and companies do not just sell their product by listing its technical specifications or its features. They sell motivation and confidence in the product and endorse their product(s) as a "way of life". They brand these products as a new lifestyle with glamorous luxury that only the upper hierarchy can only obtain. If you get a very popular electronic device or gadget, chances are that there will be hundreds and thousands of accessories to accompany that single device for customization and such.

    Because we live in an information age with the internet, data spreads fast from influential celebrities, bloggers, politicians, etc. are able to share their lives with their entire networks. Attributing to the fact that now that a single product can be a new type of lifestyle/fad, the common population will have access to this information and will be bombarded by the immate volumes of their networks who are living in such a fad and positive word-of-mouth spreads exponentially.

    The greatest example exists with Apple. Apple took a simple MP3 player, which many did not care for, put in something innovative like the scroll wheel or an LCD screen and marketed it very aggressively. It attracted the artists, technological hobbyists, businesspeople and their, usually, vast networks as trendy and whatnot. The campaign doesn't just trickle down to the masses as the companies of the past century have ventured. This age is where a snowflake can snowball into an avalanche!

    This also intertwines closely into simple human psychology desires. Nobody wants to be wrong. Nobody wants to feel left alone in their "way of life". Nobody wants to admit that they are mediocre people who have nothing in their lives to live for and are living mundane lives. These are some of the reasons why zealous religious people are very sensitive to any "attack" or commentary on their faiths even if some of the arguments are reasonable and logical. Nobody wants to think, feel wrong and be wrong in terms of how they live their own lives and steadily write their legacies.

    Most humans, as I've said before, need their basic physiological needs met first. After being fed and whatnot, humans then desire social approval as the greatest need to be met. This desire has spawned very familiar concepts we have found on the Internet. Most commonly on Youtube, you will see this formulated comment:

    (number of "dislikes" of current video - usually smaller than the "likes") people (predicate)ed ...

    e.g. 44 people love dogs rather than cats
    This mentality or paradigm embedded within these individuals seek to say a general statement everyone will agree with and seek to fulfill their need of social approval because they will know that people will support them. As they go on, their confidences and, unfortunately, their self-righteousness increases. They will know that their ideas will be more correct because society agrees with them more than other ideas.

    tl;dr

    In essence, all of these factors combine to what we have concurrently. The products Ryllharu has mentioned have marketed their products with motivation that their products are the best and people are dumb enough to buy into it because they can't they can't think for themselves. They're usually influenced by their friends, bloggers or celebrities who are powerful in influence. The mentality rises and because these products do become a lifestyle (through vast accessories, media attention, owned by many other people, social media, jokes, comics, writings, etc.), people are more likely to get into these debates about which lifestyle is the best because no one wants to be wrong like Buffalobiian has said (maybe DBZ has an interesting point I should look into).

    Every time one were to start up a debate between two products, even if the participants are arguing for or against their side, they are simply reinforcing the concepts already implanted or brainwashed into their heads. Every time one of these threads pop up, the companies involved gain free (and often good) publicity and the posters or debaters act as tools - results of, yet again, ingenious marketing.

    In fact, in this post, I was a tool. Good job, Ryllharu.

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    I'm better than those in the laptop camps. You must know this, and acknowledge me.

    I beg to differ, everyone needs are different and what a person can use one thing for, others would not. No one is better than anyone just because he owns this or that.

    Of course this is all just my opinion.
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    I seem to have to justify the logic and reasoning behind my posts a bit of late.

    Are they that incomprehensible?...




    ("have to", if I wish to correct any misinterpretations/misunderstandings/misreading)

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    Yes. You tend to nitpick at inconsequential details of other people's posts so any straightforward statement you try to make yourself is lost due to meandering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire View Post
    Yes. You tend to nitpick at inconsequential details of other people's posts
    I pick at things for a reason, and if I don't specify that reason, then it becomes nitpicking (or even groundless nitpicking).

    so any straightforward statement you try to make yourself is lost due to meandering.
    Said "nitpicking" leads to my statement, so it's not clearcut. Following on from here, paraphrasing by nature loses detail and meaning. This already has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire View Post
    You asked, I answered.
    I opened up a discussion, but I suppose it was a short one.

    Appreciate the input.

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    I don't think Buff nitpicks at all. He may be detail oriented, but that is not necessarily a bad thing.

    People tend to dislike that kind of argumentation though.

    What I don't get is when people try to forcibly "move on" or change the topic when a discussion or argument is getting heated but not really stuck, and there is still more to be said. They seem to think that any conflict is bad conflict.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    I don't think Buff nitpicks at all. He may be detail oriented, but that is not necessarily a bad thing.

    People tend to dislike that kind of argumentation though.

    What I don't get is when people try to forcibly "move on" or change the topic when a discussion or argument is getting heated but not really stuck, and there is still more to be said. They seem to think that any conflict is bad conflict.
    I do this a lot with my keyboard-typing fora.

    The way I see it is that sometimes their discussions are meaningless to the individuals who try to change the topic. More so over there than here (where they complain about cheaters with their typing speed than, say, politics here), but most people enjoy stability and consistency where they can contribute to discussions with their less-intellectual ideas because they often can't argue/debate properly, but still want to be able to post.

    Additionally, as you've said, those same people will always try to break up fights. They're probably people who have seen one too many arguments/verbal fights mutate into fist fights and subconsciously try to prevent these things from happening.

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    With all of the potentially awesome games coming out soon (BF3, MW3, Gears 3, Skyrim) would it be worth it to get a PS3 now so I can play Heavy Rain, Infamous 2, and Resistance 3 until the aforementioned blockbusters come out?


    For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?

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    I'd get a PS3 on Black Friday or Boxing Day when the consoles are super marked-down.

    By then, other games will be added to the "Greatest Hits" list and you'll be able to play them all at a very low price if you're really sure about getting one.

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    Yeah but then I won't have any games to play until the new games come out, and by mid-Nov there will be plenty of X360 and PC games to play so I won't need the PS3 or have time to play the games for it. Anyway I wonder if the savings will be worth the wait. Since I finished Deus Ex HR a couple days ago, been bored as far as gaming goes, and replay value on DEHR is low.


    For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Animeniax View Post
    Yeah but then I won't have any games to play until the new games come out, and by mid-Nov there will be plenty of X360 and PC games to play so I won't need the PS3 or have time to play the games for it. Anyway I wonder if the savings will be worth the wait. Since I finished Deus Ex HR a couple days ago, been bored as far as gaming goes, and replay value on DEHR is low.
    Pick up some cheap indie games, or higher profile games from Steam, unless you're actually interested specifically in the above mentioned games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Animeniax View Post
    Yeah but then I won't have any games to play until the new games come out, and by mid-Nov there will be plenty of X360 and PC games to play so I won't need the PS3 or have time to play the games for it. Anyway I wonder if the savings will be worth the wait. Since I finished Deus Ex HR a couple days ago, been bored as far as gaming goes, and replay value on DEHR is low.
    Amnesia: The Dark Descent. It's an indie game for the PC that I cannot recommend enough. I still get nightmares about it every once in awhile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    Pick up some cheap indie games, or higher profile games from Steam, unless you're actually interested specifically in the above mentioned games.
    Yeah I'm actually interested in playing those games. Gears 3 comes out on Tuesday, but after that, it will be 2 weeks until Rage arrives, and 3 weeks after that BF3. Lots of time in there that could be spent playing these modern classics, just would require $3-400.

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha Barles View Post
    Amnesia: The Dark Descent. It's an indie game for the PC that I cannot recommend enough. I still get nightmares about it every once in awhile.
    DL'ing the demo now. Graphics look old, but maybe good gameplay and storyline will make it worth getting.


    For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?

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