sad chapter indeed. I would've done what Naruto said in the chapter. The whole, if Jiraiya was hokage he wouldn't let you go out on that mission thing. Anywhoo, I think those numbers are chapter markings on Jiraiya's books he wrote. Prolly leading to who he met in his life and then revealing who Pein is.
I don't care who I have to fight!
If he rips my arms off, I'll kick him to death!
If he rips my legs off, I'll bite him to death!
If he rips my head off, I'll stare him to death!
And if he gouges out my eyes, I'll curse him from beyond the grave!
Originally Posted by Konohamaru
I like that idea. Encrypting your last words in this manner, and with a crushed windpipe is badass on a level I can't quantify. Naruto's personality shift should be very subtle if we get one at all, since we saw Iruka telling him not to change. He's definitely feeling down, but it can't compare to what Tsunade feels... She didn't get to be Jiraiya's backup
Now for a noticeable shift in temperament, I think the deaths of either Sakura or Kakashi could do it. I suppose Sasuke's could too, but what are the chances of that happening?
dont ever say that, dont kill kakashi xD (sakura wont die until she gives birth to goku... i mean naruto's child)
After loosing someone you love you'll blame the first person that comes to your mind
Now I wonder who is going to step in and become Naruto's primary sensei. I find it hard that the person who teaches Naruto to become a smart ninja will be himself.
Kakashi and Yamato seem to have already teamed up to take on that role. Although I expect them to have a limited role as they have has to this point, while Naruto receives random tips and advice from other experienced ninja (Iruka, Gai, Tsunade) throughout.
I can't really say I was moved by this chapter. But, I guess I'm just not in touch with my emotions. /shrug
I know it was supposed to be symbolic of the flashback with Jiraiya, but if you think about it, Iruka just came along and stole half of Naruto's popsicle.
I totally thought that it was Shikamaru that was trying to cheer up Naruto in this popsicle scene until Naruto said "Thanks Iruka Sensei." Then I felt dumb
Hmmm... I'm not so sure about that. Naruto has always had a sensei and besides i hope that the manga ends with him knowing 3 different techniques...
PS: Tips from Iruka? He's a chunin dude, probably even weaker than Naruto.
You're an idiot Iruka is an accomplished ninja and yeah while he may not have techniques as strong as Naruto does they certainly haven't helped Naruto any now have they. Anyway just shut up, because you don't have to be a freaking Akatsuki member to give someone tips and Iruka is a teacher.
Anyway as far as someone taking over training Naruto, there is Kakashi and Yamato and we still have that old frog dude. The reason he stayed there was to talk to Naruto afterall so I assume he will be giving Naruto some instruction from now on because he is the one that taught Jiraiya in the first place.
Dreaming impossible dreams.
Sapphire is awesome!
Stop getting so worked up. Jesus.
Iruka is a pretty good father figure to Naruto, but he hardly qualifies as a teacher at this point. Naruto has more than surpassed him in strength and technique. If he does help Naruto out at all, it will be in the form of wise words and advice, just like in this chapter. There's not a lot he can teach him now.
But yes, I also think (or at least hope) that the old frog sage will be involved in Naruto's future teaching somehow.
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
...that time of the month again Abdula?
Naruto may be weak but he's beyond the level of iruka, all the help he can give him now is what we just saw on this chapter. He'll always be like a father to Naruto but as far as teaching naruto new techniques I think we'll see more of that from stronger shinobi.
It would be awesome if the old frog taught naruto some of jiraya's old techiniques, maybe Naruto could even finish Pain off using one of those.
I'm not worked up I just like calling Archangel an idiot.
Secondly I wasn't talking about Iruka teaching Naruto new techniques, I really don't think Naruto is going to be getting anything new, he just needs more training. He just got a new rasengan that he has used only once, he's got the Kyuubi and he has whatever the hell it is Itachi gave him. I was always hoping Kishi would make Naruto into a proper ninja but at this point I've already given up on that so I don't expect any significant change from Naruto atleast not combat wise.
At most I expect that Naruto has one more ultra powerful technique coming his way, whatever it is that Minato left the key behind for.
Dreaming impossible dreams.
Sapphire is awesome!
Yeah and if he keep using it he'll end up without an arm., It would make sense if they taught him just 1 or 2 more techniques that he could use mid-battle since the wind rasengan is obviously a finishing jutsu.
Finishing jutsu? So was the original rasengan and the oodama rasengan as well. Naruto doesn't have any mid battle or what I refer to as supplemental techniques that has been the problem from the very beginning and it isn't going to change. Besides if your argument is that it would make sense, then you are way off because this is Naruto we are talking about here. When it comes to him fighting, things don't have to make sense.
Dreaming impossible dreams.
Sapphire is awesome!
I guess I'll just cling to hope that Naruto's fights will involve something besides shadow clones and rasengans.
I think we're all still clinging to that hope.
And Iruka doesn't have to be stronger than Naruto in order to teach him. (Kakashi has said that Naruto is more powerful than himself now, but Kakashi still teaches him.) Iruka still has knowledge and advice to give.
We just saw him give Naruto advice in this very chapter, and yet, you still dispute that Iruka can help Naruto?
Lol that's like saying you hope Shikamaru will fight without using his shadow or Kakashi will fight without using Raikiri.
Naruto's problem (one of them) is that he keeps gaining techniques that come at some terrible cost to him. He needs to learn useful techniques that aren't horribly dangerous but are still useful in battle like almost any technique we've seen other ninja use. Actually developing a relationship with his summons would be a nice start.
And anyone in the village of chuunin level should be able to give Naruto advice. He doesn't seem to know any medium risk-medium reward techniques which should be the bread and butter of an average chuunin level ninja. He's always trained for power and he'd already managed to skip to Jounin level in terms of power even before the skip. However he is still at a genin-chuunin level in terms of versatility and judgment.
Last edited by Yukimura; Tue, 06-24-2008 at 04:44 PM.
No one's saying that. We acknowledge he can advise him, but he's not going to be making him any stronger or teaching him any new techniques or strategies. This is a dumb argument, let's just stop.
Sadly this is the case. I too remember when Rasengan was meant to be his finishing move. If the development of the Wind Rasengan proves anything, it's that improvement in this series can only come in the form of "my attack is more powerful than your attack".Finishing jutsu? So was the original rasengan and the oodama rasengan as well. Naruto doesn't have any mid battle or what I refer to as supplemental techniques that has been the problem from the very beginning and it isn't going to change.
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
I just hope this doesn't get as bad as it did with DBZ. I say less power, more agility and versatility by the fighters.
What really pisses me off is that with Naruto's insane amount of chakra he should be able to do some amazing jutsus. I mean just imagine a plain and regular wind jutsu, only Naruto can multiply himself one hundred times and use it against a single enemy. What's the point of having all these finishing moves if they never hit/cost u an arm ?
Not necessarily. I can picture the clever ones like Shikamaru or Neji exploiting elemental weaknesses in some way: During the fight, if they figure out their opponent's affinity, they could then use a jutsu that has a natural advantage against that elemental type. This makes me cringe a little bit, because it reminds me of how the types worked in Pokemon.
Now, if you meant that this is just the case for Naruto's attacks, then yeah I agree with you it's all about overpowering. The rationale seems to be that since Naruto has been taught under a very reputable and powerful sensei, Jiraiya, that the expectation is for him to use humongous nuclear warhead jutsus. As far as midrange, low cost/benefit attacks, how about learning to use a chakra weapon? Another thing I'm curious about would be: If Naruto uses mass kage bunshins combined with a chakra weapon, do the clones get the weapon and benefit from extra cutting power, or does only the original?
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