Should we be reading the manga?

[Archangel]

That was basically my point. The whole thing is so poorly thought out.

Well Kishimoto is kind of coming with stuff up as he goes along so he wants to leave as many loopholes as possible so he can connect the dots later on with his crazy theories lol

[poopdeville]

Besides that wind affinity is supposed to be extremely rare, which couldn't be possible if the Hyuuga clan had wind nature abilities.

@Xan: Yeah we've all gotten over it since then and it seems Kishi has as well. He used it in that one arc when nature manipulation was first introduced and then he used it to save Sasuke's ass and it disappeared after that.

Jiraiya got pwned because of elemental chakra too. And Blood Line limits are supposedly what you get when you combine elemental chakras.

We've only seen three Hyuuga with the Byakugan -- it's pretty rare too. I'm not saying you're wrong, but we don't know what elements it mixes. It could be like the Sharingan, in that most Uchiha are Fire Element guys, and require Lightning Element to use the eye. The Byakugan could be a mix of some random element most Hyuuga are capable of, and wind (the half that makes the Byakugan rare).

[XanBcoo]

I'm pretty sure every Hyuuga has the Byakugan. That's why the Branch and Main families exist in the first place, isn't it?

I think besides the ones we know for sure, Hinata's sister Hinabi, and Neji's dad must have at least had it.

[Archangel]

Yep every single Hyuuga has the byakugan, the question is if they have to waken it like the uchiha clan or if they're born with it.

The branch family has some sort of jutsu on them that seals all the secrets of their bloodline limit as soon as they die.

[Yukimura]

I don't think the fact that mixing chakra natures requires a bloodline limit is meant to imply that all bloodline limits involve mixing chakra natures. There is more to the ninja world than just elemental chakra manipulation so it wouldn't make sense for all of the special clan-based techniques in the ninja world to be bound to only a subset.

Stuff like the super bones and the doujutsu we've seen probably don't have any sort of chakra type requirements. Instead I think they are genetic abnormalities in otherwise normal, chakra producing, people that can make use of regular chakra to do abnormal things.

[poopdeville]

I wish you were right. The Sharingan would have made a lot of sense then -- the tomoi allow extra light in (which in a weird cartoon way would made Sharingan eyes more sensitive), and their brains could be wired a little differently to allow automatic learning (the copying part).

But alas, Kakashi says "The ability to control two elements simultaneously, and create a new element to manipulate, that's what's called a kekkei genkai."

[Archangel]

We still don't know all there is to know about element manipulations. At least they decide to tell us how light and shadow manipulation works don't even try to come up with a theory on how the sharingan works, just not worth it.

Besides i don't think they'll ever completely explain how the sharingan works, the thing is like the ultimate hack jutsu it can do just about anything.

[Abdula]

I'm pretty sure every Hyuuga has the Byakugan. That's why the Branch and Main families exist in the first place, isn't it?

Yes, every single Hyuuga is born with the Byakugan.

But alas, Kakashi says "The ability to control two elements simultaneously, and create a new element to manipulate, that's what's called a kekkei genkai."

Even though Kakashi said the ability to control two elements simultaneously and create a new element is called a Kekkai Genkai, that does not mean that every Kekkai Genkai is a mixture of two elements. We've seen some like Haku's or the First's that are a mixture of two elements and then there are others like the Byakugan or Kimimaro's that don't appear to use any elements whatsoever.

It could be like the Sharingan, in that most Uchiha are Fire Element guys, and require Lightning Element to use the eye.

No one ever said the Uchiha's need lightning element to use the sharingan. As far as has been shown Sasuke is the only one who used lightning element and he unlocked the sharingan long before he ever learned of his affinity for lightning. Plus although it was said that the Uchihas have an affinity for fire techniques we have no idea if that is in anyway related to the sharingan.

[SilentSnake]

The way Kishi shows it sharingan develops always when there are strong emotions around.

Always.

The only exception would be Kakashi. But he is haxxor.

[Archangel]

The only exception would be Kakashi. But he is haxxor.

Why is kakashi an exception? We know that his sharingan did come out because of strong emotions, just not while in his head, the second stage sharingan hasn't been shown yet and he probably got MS because in his head he was already responsible for the death of his best friend.

[Abdula]

Yeah now if only there wasn't a time delay of 12+ years between his friend's death and him getting MS.

[Archangel]

Maybe you need to be aware of the law behind getting the MS to actually obtain it.

[Death BOO Z]

I'm going to bring up the Obito-Tobi factor. sorry, everybody who thinks that three identities are enough for him.
Kakashi and Tobi each have one eye, Kakashi has the left sharingan eye, and Tobi has the right.
they both have time\space bending powers. Kakashi can shoot people through hyperspace, and Obito can twist his body into hyperspace.
Kakashi didn't present his MSharingan powers until the current days, when Tobi presentd himself to be Madare (maybe becuase he was got the Msharingan back and was now confident in his abilities).

I know that the Tobi\obito thing has been beaten to death, pounded to dust and grinded to meat, but I still stand behined it.

[XanBcoo]

Yeah, I think it's pretty obvious to everyone that Tobi is Obito at this point.

Not that we'll get confirmation on this until God knows when. Think about how long it took to confirm that the 4th was Naruto's father, even though it was apparently obvious right from the start.

In another 20 chapters, Kakashi will confront Tobi, and then we'll get the "big reveal" and no one will care by that point.

[Assertn]

That was basically my point. The whole thing is so poorly thought out.

Normally I'd agree, but a lot more of this has been consistent since the very beginning than you'd think. Back in the very first arc, kakashi explained that there were 5 different elements found in chakra. At the same time, he was also surprised that a genin (Sasuke) was able to manipulate an element (fire). Even back then chakra revolved around the concept of 5 elements, yet there still existed oddball shit like kage bunshin.

[Archangel]

Yeah, I think it's pretty obvious to everyone that Tobi is Obito at this point.

Hmmm i'm not so sure about that, kishi has a way of having these things come back to bite you in the ass.

Anyway, if you're right about that then we should have the kakashi gaiden on anime eventually, maybe when Madara reveals his true self.

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

i say no cause its really not too bad. and cause theres so many paradoxes between the current anime and sasuke's....whole life in 2 episodes. First Sora's all about revenge, hardass ego, and hes anti social. Which is weird cause it just feels right next to naruto... Then they have them training alongside till night to focus their chakra woahhh. Recyling? Well I call it Biting. Not all that enlightening. But Dr. West IS one of the brightest. ...too much lil wayne,. Yeah, so more comparisons with sora and sasuke; his dad gets killed getting betrayed by Asuma, just like Itachi was fucked over by Konoha... they both want more revenge. damn. Same shit different day?

[XanBcoo]

Yeah, it's really funny when people translate something through Babblefish, and then take the translated text and translate it back into English. The incomprehensible results are always good for a laugh.