Naruto Chapter 402

[toonice714]

I really think that the only good thing about this chapter is that we wont have to hear about sasuke or anymore uchihas for awhile. Thier style of fighting is sooo boring. They solve everything by staring at it. It's stupid. Hopefully we will get to see some roots members or some higher level ninja now that sasuke has declared war on the leaf. The initial team of genin doesnt seem like they might get any powerups any time soon. Maybe more jounin will come out of the works and show us why konoha is feared

[Sidnne]

I'm more tired of you guys bitching about Sasuke flashbacks every week a chapter is released. So what if Kishi decides to go into-depth about Uchihas? If you don't like his manga, don't read it then. Personally, I would rather have the story go into depth about Sasuke than any other characters like Choji, Shikamaru, Kiba, etc.

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize this was where people come to ride Kishi's nuts. I thought this was a place I could post my thoughts on the chapter and discuss what I liked and didn't like with other people.

You are always welcome to GTFO if you don't like reading the manga. No one is forcing you to read this "Garbage"

You probably think you made some kind of profound statement with that one, huh?

Not only is Uchiha's sharingan > Anything what Naruto has, but this flashback is helping us realize the backroots of Konoha's History and how the 1st became the 1st.

Those aren't the flashbacks I'm talking about. I'm not sure if you actually read the manga or not, but if you do then surely you must have noticed the 400 or so flashbacks of Sasuke trying to get Itachi to play with him throughout the series.

Also the two parts of your sentence are completely unrelated to one another, so I'm not really sure why you put them together like that. That's just a really, really poor statement.

It's sounds like you're just another emo Sasuke fanboy who takes it personally when someone has an opinion of Sasuke which doesn't quite match your own.

[FullMetalAlchemist]

im gonna go on a limb and say this is the reason itachi spoke with naruto before he encountered sasuke. he probably left some sort of message with naruto to tell sasuke. there has to be a reason kishi never showed what itachi spoke to naruto about.

on another note unless naruto does some crazy ass training when he gets back to the village or w/e he will never catch up to sasuke at this rate. naruto gets a wind rasengan, then sasuke gets MS and some super MS we have no idea what kind of power it hold. hopefully next chapter will go back to them and wth happened to shark face (forgot his name) wasn't he fighting team hebi lol.

[chet_chetty]

As disappointed as most people, myself included, that we never got to see Suigetsu plus the rest of Team Snake/Hawk take on Kisame, it's not hard to believe their fight was ended by something as simple as Madara calling it off.

I was wrong that Madara freed Sasuke if you still consider him hanging around as exerting some kind of control over Sasuke. I guess you could say that Sasuke is free to do as he pleases even though his current goal to destroy the Leaf falls in line with Madara's longtime goal. Unless it's revealed that Madara is controlling Sasuke's mind, Sasuke is essentially acting of his own will.

[Abdula]

He is controlling his mind but its not like he using genjutsu or anything to do it hes simply manipulating him to get him to do what he wants just like Itachi was manipulating Sasuke or how Oro was manipulating him. Sasuke is acting of his own free that is exactly what they're using against him Sasuke just doesn't ever seem to understand when he is being manipulated. He's not too bright.

on another note unless naruto does some crazy ass training when he gets back to the village or w/e he will never catch up to sasuke at this rate. naruto gets a wind rasengan, then sasuke gets MS and some super MS we have no idea what kind of power it hold.

Well Naruto does have the key that Jiraiya was holding and whatever other secrets Minato left for him coming his way but I don't know how that would help.

Awe, the neg reps, so cute. It just isn't a Naruto thread without them.

[iMUSTbeTHEdevil]

I dont know, I am Sasuke does have alot going for him, but he did lose his seal mark to Itachi, that has to take some stuff away, not to mention he did have Oro in him at that point as well. I am curious to see what kind of moves he still has.

[Death BOO Z]

I don't think he should lose any 'normal' jutsu, maybe just the insane 'orochimaru spitting' and 'snake vomitting' moves, but nobody will miss them.

[Tyreal]

Well Naruto does have the key that Jiraiya was holding and whatever other secrets Minato left for him coming his way but I don't know how that would help.

Someone earlier in the thread mentioned one of Naruto's major weaknesses is that both Rasengan and the Shadow Clones are both close combat techniques, which are easy to dodge for almost any ninja over Chunnin level.

If Naruto learns Minato's Flying Thunder God Technique (the technique where he can almost instantly move from one spot to another) that would make his Wind Shuriken Rasengan almost unstoppable (assuming he can use both of the techniques at the same time and he gets the scroll soon).

Combined with Naruto's new style of training he should be able to master both techniques fairly quickly. Along with any other information contained in the scroll. Which I'm hoping means Naruto will soon stop being a steaming pile of crap. Although I'm still expecting him to suck in tactics at least if this happens at least when he charges in blindly most fights would be over before they begin with the Flying Thunder God Technique and the Rasengan/Wind Shuriken Rasengan.

[Tobydelaroka]

Konoha is fucked! and more people will going to die.
So.. Sasuke can control Amaterasu and Susanno?

P/S: Sasuke's Mom is hot.

[Assertn]

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize this was where people come to ride Kishi's nuts. I thought this was a place I could post my thoughts on the chapter and discuss what I liked and didn't like with other people.

Except it kind of ruins it for those of us who did enjoy the chapter to just get nothing but two pages of whining. We get it, you don't like the Uchiha story. How is this a constructive contribution towards the discussion?

Also, any post that doesn't say anything except "I should just stop reading the manga" should be flagged as spam.

Why doesn't Sasuke realize (as Madara even explained) that it wasn't the entire village that wanted Uchiha destroyed, just a select group.

Because it's not just a select group that's responsible. Sure one person pointed the gun, and another person pulled the trigger, but this is all a consequence of generations of segregation and political strife. Everything that happened was for the sake of Konoha as a whole, not for the sake of a select few.

The moral of the story is that the peace and unity of the clans under one village was a fallacy that had ultimately served to weaken the Uchiha clan's influence in the ninja world. It wasn't Itachi that killed the Uchiha clan...it was Konoha.

@DBZ: He will also lose that quick-healing that he used after the Deidara fight.

[Sidnne]

Except it kind of ruins it for those of us who did enjoy the chapter to just get nothing but two pages of whining. We get it, you don't like the Uchiha story. How is this a constructive contribution towards the discussion?

Also, any post that doesn't say anything except "I should just stop reading the manga" should be flagged as spam.

No. I enjoy the manga, but that doesn't mean that I have to like everything about it; and I'm free to talk about the things I like and don't like about it. There's plenty of things I like about the manga that other people don't, but I don't call them idiots for it and tell them they should stop reading the manga.

I suppose you could simply ban all opinion from posts and they could all just be objective summaries of the current chapter, but I don't see how that would be a constructive contribution either.

[chet_chetty]

He is controlling his mind but its not like he using genjutsu or anything to do it hes simply manipulating him to get him to do what he wants...

that's what I meant...control in the literal sense through genjutsu or whatever other miscellaneous technique is available to Madara.

[CapsuleCorpJX]

Now Sasuke suddenly loves his brother and wants to avenge him? Give me a break.

Itachi was weak-minded and got brain-washed by Root so easily.

Even if it was the case that Itachi needed to qwell an insurrection from his own clan, he should have just killed those who were talking about or leading it, not the entire clan and his own family.

This plot twist is really stupid. On top of that why would Root trust such an operation to Itachi? Also is the Uchiha so weak that Root believed Itachi could take the entire clan by himself? I doubt they knew that Madara was going to help Itachi.

Though Madara and Itachi didn't give the order, they were still the main culprits. It's more realistic for Sasuke to still hate Itachi and want to kill Madara next. It would also be more reasonable for him to want to assassinate Danzo and the Leaf elder advisors instead of wanting to take on an entire village by himself.

[CapsuleCorpJX]

Except it kind of ruins it for those of us who did enjoy the chapter to just get nothing but two pages of whining. We get it, you don't like the Uchiha story. How is this a constructive contribution towards the discussion?

Also, any post that doesn't say anything except "I should just stop reading the manga" should be flagged as spam.


Because it's not just a select group that's responsible. Sure one person pointed the gun, and another person pulled the trigger, but this is all a consequence of generations of segregation and political strife. Everything that happened was for the sake of Konoha as a whole, not for the sake of a select few.

The moral of the story is that the peace and unity of the clans under one village was a fallacy that had ultimately served to weaken the Uchiha clan's influence in the ninja world. It wasn't Itachi that killed the Uchiha clan...it was Konoha.

@DBZ: He will also lose that quick-healing that he used after the Deidara fight.

Well then, as Sasuke is massacring the little Leaf-Village kids and their moms, I hope he explains your little theory so that way they know what's going on.

[Uchiha Barles]

While, on the one hand, I can agree that it's a bit annoying that everything's revolving around Sasuke, on the other hand, this story is the best that it's ever been, specially if you've been folloing it from the beginning. It has all of the personal elements the series tends to overexaggerate, but this time included said elements in good taste. More political machinery behind konoha has been revealed, and a dark past revealed now taints the village we all once thought to be saintly.
The lines between good and evil are finally being blurred. Actually, no. We've been watching this whole series through the eyes of naruto, sasuke, and sakura, who were all basically children. So for their sakes, the lines were clearly defined. You do not tell children of the darkness behind their homes, their towns, their states, countries and world. You try to protect them, and you try to indoctrinate them. Now these things are being put to the test, and the lines dividing good and evil are being shown for what they really are: amorphous, ever shifting, and entropic. The kids are becoming adults, Sasuke's the first to be tested, and this is the perspective we're now being given. How can anyone complain about this?

[Assertn]

Well then, as Sasuke is massacring the little Leaf-Village kids and their moms, I hope he explains your little theory so that way they know what's going on.

I'm sure Sasuke will when Naruto confronts him and asks him two thousand times why he's doing this.

[FullMetalAlchemist]

Now Sasuke suddenly loves his brother and wants to avenge him? Give me a break.

Itachi was weak-minded and got brain-washed by Root so easily.

Even if it was the case that Itachi needed to qwell an insurrection from his own clan, he should have just killed those who were talking about or leading it, not the entire clan and his own family.

This plot twist is really stupid. On top of that why would Root trust such an operation to Itachi? Also is the Uchiha so weak that Root believed Itachi could take the entire clan by himself? I doubt they knew that Madara was going to help Itachi.

Though Madara and Itachi didn't give the order, they were still the main culprits. It's more realistic for Sasuke to still hate Itachi and want to kill Madara next. It would also be more reasonable for him to want to assassinate Danzo and the Leaf elder advisors instead of wanting to take on an entire village by himself.

Itachi did it to stop a ninja war, and the leads of the rebelion was his father so he had to kill his own family, the only reason sasuke had no clue about it was because he was young, otherwise the clan knew about everything. On to your other point on root sending him alone, it makes sense because the family would have never expected him to attack the clan so byt he time they knew what was happeneing to late. makes sense in theory but he ended up needing help.

[Assertn]

It had to look like it was all Itachi's idea. If Itachi only took out the conspirators then it would be pretty obvious someone was pulling the strings, and things would only get worse

[Abdula]

Even so Itachi wasn't able to do it on his own. He killed his best friend to gain MS and that still wouldn't have been enough but they couldn't send anyone else to help him because as they said only someone with the sharingan would be able to fight the Uchiha which is why Itachi asked Madara for help.

-Something thats bothering me. Back in chapter 400 Madara said that at that time he was in the village and he wanted the war to happen because he was bitter towards both the Senju and the Uchiha. So without a doubt this whole thing happening had something to do with Madara I think we all get that but what I don't get is the rest of it. What I get from that is that he was in the village since the beginning and was influencing things so eventually there would a war between the Uchiha and the village.

He said Itachi realized that he was alive and that he was the one responsible for this happening and Itachi confronted him and made him an offer. He said the offer was that in return for Itachi helping him get his revenge on the Uchiha, Madara would have to leave the rest of the village alone. It seemed to make sense when I first read it but now that I think about it why the hell would Madara go along with that. I mean he spent all these years planning and manipulating things so that there would be a war between the Uchihas and Konoha and all his planning was about to come to fruition why the hell would he change his mind and go along with Itachi.

Doesn't seem to make any sense to me. Unless Itachi offered him something else that he neglected to mention. Something to sweeten the deal, something that Madara wanted more than revenge and something he wouldn't have been able to get on his own. The only thing I can think of is ofcourse Sasuke but that doesn't make much sense either.

[Yukimura]

That bothered me as well, but with all the conflicting stories being passed around it's hard to keep track of who's lying and who's not.

Instead of offering an incentive It could just as easily be that Itachi really was strong enough to threaten Madara. We know physical attacks like Amaterasu mean nothing to him but we have not seen him go up against any form of mental or ethereal attack. There's still a chance a healthy Itachi could have taken out or at least troubled Madara. If this was the case he might have have agreed to only getting revenge on Uchiha's in the short term rather than fighting Itachi and potentially losing/becoming incapacitated for a long period of time. Madara had lived for almost a hundred years by that point, so he probably had the patience to just wait for Itachi to die then work to get his revenge on the Senju.