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    Kara no Kyoukai

    Here's the first of what looks like 4 movies, maybe more.

    First one is called Kara no Kyoukai - The Garden of Sinners, released by gg-Takajun:
    http://ggkthx.org/Torrents/[gg-TakaJun]_Kara_no_Kyoukai_-_The_Garden_of_Sinners_-_01v2_[3F2E8FEA].mkv.torrent

    This should be a good one.

    Based on a novel by Nasu Kinoko, writer for TYPE-MOON. Kara no Kyoukai plays in a parallel universe to that of Tsukihime. Considered the precursor/inspiration for the story of Tsukihime.

    From a long sleep, Ryougi Shiki awoke.
    As an after effect, she gained the power to perceive the death of things.
    A power to kill anything with just a knife lures Shiki into a dark world.
    The murderer from two years ago.
    Swarm of floating ghosts
    A girl who can bend things by just looking at them.
    A spiral construction which collects people's death.
    When numerous bizarre incidents collides with Shiki's Mystic Eyes...
    her lost memories reawakens---.

    The main character, Ryougi Shiki, was involved in a car accident and fell into a deep coma for two years. When she finally awoke from it, she had gained the “Eyes of Death Perception” ability but believed to have lost something instead.

    The Ryougi family attempted to create human beings that exceeded normal humans, and to accomplish this, they trained their children in various martial arts and fencing, and also made them split their personalities. They believed that by using this method, one personality could be an expert in one subject while the other could be master other subjects. Shiki was no exception to this, and she had a masculine and feminine side that switched places with each other.

    After having woken up from the accident, Shiki believed that her masculine personality side had died during the accident. Instead she tried to supplement the spiritually dead Shiki's personality by her masculine tone.
    http://www.karanokyoukai.com/
    http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/ency...me.php?id=7472
    http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl...anime&aid=4932
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    Quote Originally Posted by Munsu
    This should be a good one.
    You are mistaken. It shouldn't be good. It is good.

    It gave me the impression of a mix of Tsukihime and Shinkai Makoto works. And that's not a bad thing. This first episode didn't actually contain a really strong plot, which makes me a bit sad since we are talking about only 4 installments in total (or comparable to 8 episodes length wise). However, the next episode should be all business. I guess this was a peaceful introduction.

    The remaining eps better have some really good (that is, bloody) fights, though...

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    I have only one problem with the film. It was definitely written for viewers who had read the novels. Having only read a translation of this one, I was still a little lost.

    When I read the book, there was no mention of Shiki having a fake arm. The person Touko mentioned, "the Fujino Asagami case" seemed to imply Shiki lost her arm to was in a later book. Maybe that one takes place before this one, but it is an issue that only readers of all the novels would know for sure. Zero explanation in this film, on several things.

    Other than that, I enjoyed it a lot.

    No surprise it reminds you of Tsukihime. Most Type-Moon fans will tell you that Kara no Kyoukai is the exact same world. Fate/Stay is similar, and might be the same (given a few things between the two), personally I think it is. I digress. They explain it somewhere, but the red-haired witch in Tsukihime that gives Shiki Tohno the glasses at the beginning of Tsukihime is Aozaki Aoko, Touko's sister.

    I liked the somewhat hazy, yet very well defined bloody streaks representation of the death lines in Kara no Kyoukai though. My favorite part would have to be Shiki rolllllllling about on her bed after Mikiya came out of whatever stupor/coma he was in and stopped by. Very cute.

    I'll agree that parts of it, the way light was used in the office and some of the reflections, is very Makoto Shinkai, but I got a much stronger Satoshi Kon (Perfect Blue, Paprika) impression from this movie. Grimy, gritty, and dirty in the same way Perfect Blue and Paprika are, not the polished the way Shinkai's films tend to be.

    I really loved the casting. Everyone was pretty much exactly as I imagined they would be when I read the book. Maaya Sakamoto did a wonderful Shiki, Rie Tanaka as Kirie was ever the perfect creepy girl, I don't think anyone else could have played Touko as well as Takako Honda (Junko in NANA), and even Kenichi Suzumura played Mikiya as I thought he would sound like.

    Can't wait for the next one.

    (I liked the Neko-arc appearance in the cell phone warning too.)
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    If I remember correctly, the "Fujino Asagami case" refer to the third chapter(Of the Novel).

    The time line of Kara No Kyoukai is a bit mixed up.(Like the date of the next one is 1995 while this one was 1998)



    As for this movie, it was simply awesome in every way possible. Sure, it lacked a bit of actions, but that we can't help it, since thats how the first chapter was.

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    They need to release a 1080p version of this NOW.

    Anyone know what was changed in the v2 from Shinsen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Board of Command
    They need to release a 1080p version of this NOW.

    Anyone know what was changed in the v2 from Shinsen?
    From gg's website:
    TheFluff is TheFag and TheFailed TheEncode. More specifically, the way he linked the claymation to the rest of the movie was a hack job so uhh v2. Even though the hackjob does work, and the v1 is watchable... MKV Chapters Are Serious Fucking Business. One of the Macross TL guys thought that a couple lines should be re-timed to be more flowing with the Japanese (?) or something, but who the fuck cares about that. Also, please note this encode has some things called grain and detail. Those are not harmful to your health.

    If you already have the file and would like to not have to re-download it, download this .diff file magic h4x. It is far more simpler than the append magic remux. :P
    .diff file: http://ggkthx.org/KnK/KnK_01_v1_to_v2_Patch.rar

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    I have to say all the talk about flying, not flying, floating, and suicide kinda annoyed me.

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    The repetition is a little annoying, but the ideas presented are actually very deep philosophical ones.

    I got the concept of the reason the girls were committing suicide. There are similar versions of this story everywhere, but one I remember the best is from the Chuang Tzu.

    A frog lives in a well, and is convinced that the "world" which consists only of this well is the greatest place. It's everything, all encompassing, and there's a tiny patch of sky visible. One day, a turtle visits the frog. The turtle has come from the sea, and tells the frog how truly vast the real "world" is. The frog doesn't believe the turtle, and remains deadset that the well is the entirety of the world.

    Kirie was forcing these girls to "fly" and see the true vastness of the world. As Touko pointed out, when people see the real vastness, they are often completely overwhelmed, and can't comprehend it at all. So they "fly." Kirie filled them with the delusion that they really wanted to do this, and could fly.

    Kirie herself was much like the frog. She could only remember seeing the patch of sky and the part of the city from her hospital bed. Some man came and offered her a second soul that could fly around in the city, or at least the top of the building her parents used to own. So she believed that she was "flying." But as Touko explained to her, she was really only floating, as she was still very much attached to the world, and just bringing others down with her (though the girls actually did "fly" when they died). Her suggestion was that Kirie actually go and "fly" instead of merely hovering about like a ghost.

    When Shiki instantly killed Kirie's second, ghost self, Kirie returned to being that frog in the well. But a part of her remembered the delusion of "flight" so she killed herself in the end.

    The reason the illusions didn't work on Shiki the second time is she claimed to have no desire for that sort of thing. It's understandable. With the Eyes of Death Perception, Shiki already knows quite a bit about how vast the world truly is. She has also obviously chosen to stay right where she is, with (or at least as near as she can be) Mikiya.

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    I think the desire she was referring to was her will to live. Without it, any temptation one can offer is worth nothing. It is not something so simple as having experience or knowledge about the world. I think it hints at something about Shiki's past which made her as lifeless as she is now, which will probably be revealed next time.
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    Well, we can't say for sure what Shiki's issues are, so I just made a guess and ran with it based off the context of the story, which is how Kirie seemed to be luring everyone to their deaths (or coma in Mikiya's case, and his dream was just one more variation of the story I remember).

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    The history of lines of blood:

    Episode 2 - gg-TakaJun

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    The beginning with neko arc/shiki/kokuto/some guy I don't reconize was just made of win.


    Wow... I didn't see that one coming.

    (For anyone who doesn't know, that's Len, from Tsukihime; Kagetsu Tohya and Melty Blood)

    Now if only the next ones could come out faster..
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    I really liked this episode. The graphics were gorgeous but the story was even more splendid. Not only did it explain great many things about the relationship of those two that were left vague in the first episode but it also showed just how deep it is. Quite a rocky ride indeed it has been. I have to confess, though, that I really love stories like this, where one character is so determined to love the other that there will be no limits to what he's ready to do for the other. I have no doubt now Kokutou pretty much saved Shiki's personality, even if it almost cost him his life.

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    There was almost no action in this episode, but it was definitely better than the last one.

    It's kind of interesting that the only thing Shiki was denying is that she might get attached to someone. She got really cute right at the beginning when Mikiya was taking an interest into her. Then she just tried to get SHIKI to drive him off. I wonder if it was just Shiki trying to deny that she could like someone other than SHIKI, or if she realized how much she was starting to like him and tried to drive him off in order to protect him.

    This episode also showed why Shiki was so possessive of Mikiya after his consciousness was taken from her by the ghost girl in the last episode.

    Watching her buy a leather jacket specifically because Mikiya suggested it, watching her get startled from being touched by the umbrella, and then abruptly yelling out his name (with a -kun suffix no less! The only time she used it.) and taking forever to ask a question. All very cute, sending my tsundere sensors to overload.

    Match that up with the opening scene of her smearing the blood onto her lips, and you've got one hell of an episode.


    Did that event of her chasing Mikiya through the forest put her into a coma for two years? It seems the next one with Asagami takes place just after she comes out of her coma, in July of 1998.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu
    Did that event of her chasing Mikiya through the forest put her into a coma for two years? It seems the next one with Asagami takes place just after she comes out of her coma, in July of 1998.
    So it seems now, but I'm puzzled by the fact the description says she gets the eyes when she wakes up from the coma. However, the lackey was saying Shiki can be the only next master of the house because she has a special attribute. At that point I thought he meant the eyes. But perhaps it was just the split personality. If it was "just" that, then had her brother failed to develop a split mind?

    Likely it will be shown in some episode; her waking up, that is. That should also give the definite answer.

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    I liked the second episode much more than the first one, but the timeline is confusing. I guess reading the light novel would help with that.

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    Third one here

    Can't wait for it to be done...
    I really liked the third chapter in the novel, let's hope the movie is the same.


    Once again, the "theater" thing at the start is fun to watch, Neko Arc is back, Nasu is there too and even Rin and Sakura!
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