now the reason for itachi killing his family makes sense
i am betting obito was trying to start the coup
Dude, for the last time, give Obito a rest. I don't where his name came in to this. It's clear that this was a distrust that took generations to build up, but the entire clan wanted revenge. This was more of a political movement that went violent, not a one man show.
I'm calling here and now that Sasuke will fight Naruto for the title of Hokage from this point onwards.
Oh man, this is brilliant. The last few chapters of this series have been absolutely brilliant. I don't know if this is me just being happy that something really good finally happening, or if my judgement is actually correct, but this part of the series seems to stand tall even amongst some of the better anime and manga out there. This chapter felt very long too, like a nice substantial chunk of story...wow.
It has gotten better. I think that's because the plot is now starting to revolve around more mature themes such as politics and power rather than the childish 'Naruto can make everyone love him theme' that has occupied much of the anime.
I'm thinking Sasuke (assuming he's going to get away from Madara) will usurp Oro's role and start trying to destroy Konoha in revenge leading to a Sasuke vs Naruto II.
Since this chapter fleshes out the Senju as a big provider of people for the original Konoha there must be several ninja in the village today who are descended from that clan besides just Tsunade. Sarutobi, Danzou, and Saru's pals seem like obvious members. This opens the door for some new (or maybe old) speculation though. The second had white spiky hair and so did Kakashi's father (from his name) and so does Kakashi. Might Kakashi actually be the great grandson of the Second?!? He has already been casually hinted at as a potential replacement for Tsunade and it would be an interesting development for his character since he'd be an embodiment of the joining of the two clans.
Of course, Madara would probably see it as Senju stealing more from the Uchiha but that would give an eventual Kakashi vs Madara battle even more meaning.
I love that "everything you believed to be right is a lie" thing they did. It's kinda like in DBZ...when you find out after watching all of DB that Goku was actually sent to earth to destroy it all along. This brings it back to the first arc, where the line between good and evil was blurred and battles were merely between ninjas of conflicting interests.
Edit:
Rereading the chapter....I thought of something else....
Itachi became a spy under someone's orders, and likely killed the clan on someone's orders. Obviously, the 3rd would not have had a part of it...I wonder if Itachi was a member of roots?
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Im kind of confused about something. Did madara say that he helped itachi kill off the clan? If so, then why do it even if the clan was about to do pretty much what he was going to do X amount of years before?
That could very well have been misinformation on Itachi's part in an attempt to get Sasuke to distrust Madara.
I'm thinking Itachi tried to put blame on Madara since he was still loyal to Konoha, even after joining Akatsuki, and he wanted to make sure Sasuke didn't take Madara's side and oppose Konoha for the sake of revenge.
Sheesh, 2,500 posts...do I get a medal yet?
Ahhhh I can't take it anymore! Lies after lies! Where lies the truth? Somewhere along the line, I just know there's going to be "Sasuke, you were misinformed, Madara truly wanted power for himself. He used you like a dog. This is how it truly happened....."
lol but if this is true then I guess Sasuke returning to Konoha won't happen anytime soon, if at all. It looks like Sasuke really will turn against Konoha. There are many reasons for him to do so. The big one being how Konoha used the Uchiha, and the fact that Sasuke wants to resurrect his clan meaning he wants revenge for Konoha giving the order. And then the fact that he has been lied to about his brother and how they used Itachi.
Just when we thought Sasuke's path of vengeance has ended, he now has new people to kill. Or a village I should say.
I guess it's good that it's taking this step into the right direction. I was kinda wondering after Akatsuki if the story's just gonna thin out.
But it's good now that Sasuke's possible warpath in the future would be a good premise for the series to build around.
That's an incredibly compelling speculation. For awhile it seemed like the importance of roots was going to fade into the background, never to be brought up again. But this would indeed make sense. Itachi already had the background necessary to be a member of roots, seeing as he was an anbu squad leader.Originally Posted by Assertn
In keeping with the darkening themes the story seems to be venturing into, it would be nice if this eventually found it's way into the development of our main character. Naruto needs to hear this story. Sure, he's willing to die to protect the village, but is he willing to be hated?
As interesting as this turn is I have to say, I just don't believe it. I think Madara is just trying to manipulate Sasuke. I have no problem with the historical part but it gets sketchy with Itachi and the "Uchiha rebellion." Sasuke's memories don't match up with this story, they do match up with an Itachi who was being similarly manipulated by Madara.
wow this chapter is incredibly interesting
but I am confused whether it was Madara or 1st Hokage that used Kyuubi in their final fight
I am interested in how Madara was able to survive for many generations...must be one of the techniques Oro sought to get...or maybe it is Oro's body transfer jutsu
I can see a much longer story from here on out. Many chapters ago, when Pain announced Akatsuki's true purpose is wealth/political gain, I knew something was not right. I guess Madara needed Akatsuki to fight against Konoha.
I am starting to think that Sasuke will now side with Madara. Maybe become his pupil or something. I'm still wondering why Itachi sided with Madara after all that. I still don't know why Madara would help Itachi exterminate the village. Maybe he felt betrayed after they betrayed him.
It's already been stated that only the Uchiha were capable of controlling Kyubi, I'm certain it was Madara who used him.
I'm sure most of the story is true, however I would be surprised if Madara wasn't lying about the Kyubi's second attack being a "natural disaster."
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I also think that Madara's story is half truth and half lies. He's trying to stir something inside of Sasuke to seek revenge against the senju/Konoha clan since he can't do it himself due to some sort of limitation.
I kinda want to see Yamato and Madara fight now...
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Yamato would get owned no doubt
But didn't it say that the 1st hokage was able to control the bijuu as well?
I would still like to see what Madara is capable of. Maybe Itachi was right, maybe he might not be strong as he used to be;; but even still...to be able to lead Pain and Akatsuki..he must be stronger than the sannins easily
since naruto is the 4th hokage's son he may be connect to the senju clan this might give sasuke a new reason to hate naturo
I have no idea how to speculate it outside of a convenient Obito theory, but I find it worthy of pointing out the panel of Madara gripping his right arm with his left hand and it making a "clench" sound. I want to think there was a significant reason for that panel to be included.
I have to say that both Itachi's and Madara's stories contain half-truths to convince Sasuke to fulfill what I feel are their opposing goals.
I find it hard to believe Madara's brother willingly gave him his eyes when neither had the knowledge that an eternal MS would result from it. And why did Madara's brother have to sacrifice his eyes and not vice-versa? Was it known that Madara was the obvious stronger of the two and Uchiha's best shot was for him to carry his brother's eyes?
Maybe Madara did control Kyuubi to attack the village. But with Madara assumed dead, the higher brass of Konoha truly saw it as a natural disaster yet nonetheless pinned it on the Uchiha clan to stay in line with the Senju clan's discrimination over the Uchihas. The political ploy still needed to be carried out regardless if Kyuubi's attack was natural or shinobi controlled.
I was also interested in the flashback of Itachi seeking to measure his capacity reappearing once again...particularly in this chapter. It's as if despite working as a spy for the Konoha higher brass AND acting as a subordinate to Madara, he still had own view on things and his own goal to fulfill.
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