That's because they probably won't have any screen time, joining them up was just an excuse for yamato to lead the team once again.Originally Posted by Naruto_RNG
That's because they probably won't have any screen time, joining them up was just an excuse for yamato to lead the team once again.
I doubt that was a hero power up. During the training with Jiraiya, it was shown that Naruto alone didn't have enough Chakra to summon Gamabunta on his own. When the summon actually occured, during the training, you could see all his regular chakra, which was blue, and a hell of a lot more red chakra from the demon, all of which was used to summon Gamabunta.
During the Gaara fight, while Gaara is getting ready to Desert Funeral Naruto into a bloody mess, Naruto says something like "crap, I ran out of chakra making those clones". Then, he think's about Sakura, and proceeds to summon Gamabunta. This is not proof, but evidence, that he used the kyubi's chakra for the summon. Further evidence is, from that point on, the majority of the battle was fought by Gamabunta.The only think Naruto did after that point was a shapeshift jutsu with Gamabunta. Afterwards, even the demon chakra was depleted, and he had to pry and beg for just a little bit more to escape another incoming desert funeral while standing on top of Gaara's demon. So no, at the anime was very consistant at that point. Not a single power up occured there. Everything Naruto did had already been well established by other things previous to that fight. In fact, for that very reason, the Gaara/Naruto fight is my favorite Naruto fight to date.
Last point, I've already agreed with Kraco. I just didn't see his post before I posted mine.
Edit: Actually, I should say, I already agreed with KrayZ whose post I didn't see before I made mine. And KrayZ seems to agree Kraco. So yeah.
yes thats true (and I agree with you up to a certain point and I knew you were talking about that, don't worry) but i want to say that,we only see the red chakra if he either uses ninjutsu or when the chakra leaks because he can't control as much as he gets (i guess thats also the reason why the chakra cloak is possible and hurts his whole body?)
there were cases which showed us this, one for example was when he summoned the frog
neither his eyes were red nor did he have fangs or a red chakra surrounding him.. only when he executed the technique his chakra became red. So the chakra he uses becomes red, but we won't see that if he uses Kage bushin (only Neji could prove weither he uses the kyuubi or not)
So no, if he doesn't use a HUGE amount of chakra or remove the seal withing (the scene with the prison etc) his eyes won't turn read. the only time his eyes turn red is when he let the kyuubi take over him, which won't happen because Yamato is there... however naruto is able to drain a fair amount of power from him without starting to loose control.
I think it was even mentioned near the beginning that a big amount of the nine-tails chakra is flowing inside of him
Last edited by KrayZ33; Sat, 04-26-2008 at 05:50 PM.
I got the impression that they were suppresing kyuubi's chakra as well, that's why I gave props to naruto for killing leaf by himself :P
I do disagree with KrayZ33 though, the way Kakashi explained it the number of clones and the ability to maintain them for reasonable amount of time was why naruto can learn so fast.
To validate my point of view watch the ep -> every clone had a slightly different perspective on the problem, that's why there were shown clones cutting it faster and others cutting it slower.
Those two won't get any work done. Kakashi working together with his favorite ero-book author? On second thought I correct my statement: They will get research done alright but not quite the kind of research Tsunade had in mind.
i smell a new filler
There's another requirement for the technique, other than being able to make a certain number of clones, and keep them active for the duration of the training. Each clone has to have enough chakra for the training to occur. Sure, Naruto alone has four times more Chakra than kakashi. But he currently has as many clones out as there are leaves in a tree. I mean, how much chakra do you imagine remains in each clone after that much division? My guess would be very little if you only consider the chakra that's proper to Naruto. It just seems to fit that he's in fact using demon chakra. As far as Naruto not displaying the characteristics that we've come to associate with him using the demon chakra, I think KrayZ's speculation could be right, or it could just be an oversight by the anime/manga team.
If he's not using demon chakra, that means that this training is not very chakra intensive, considering the number of clones he has out. But come on, he's trying to master blending his element affinity with his chakra. That sounds chakra intensive to me.
It may or may not be chakra intensive. Its definitely intense training and it appears that it requires alot of effort but that doesn't actually mean that the training itself is using up a lot of chakra. I agree that using these many clones would require alot of chakra but I don't know if thats proof that he is using the Kyuubi's chakra. In the first episode of Naruto we did see him use the mass shadow clone technique and create "1000" clones and he didn't seem too affected by it. Now I'm not sure what to make of that since I don't believe he was using the Kyuubi's chakra back then as I don't think he was able to do so until his battle with Haku.
As to your first point Naruto did indeed say that he was completely out of chakra after using the shadow clones and I too believe that he did use the Kyuubi's chakra to do the summoning. They did play that chiming music they used to play back then everytime he used the Kyuubi's chakra as well but I wouldn't make too much of that. Anyway whatever the case after he did the summoning he was completely out of chakra for sure and he didn't actually use any chakra to do the transformation jutsu, all he did was make the hand signs since Gamabunta couldn't and Gamabunta provided the chakra.
@ KrayZ: Naruto always has residual Kyuubi chakra flowing inside but I don't think he can actually use that for battle. Example, back when Oro put the seal on him he wasn't able to draw on the Kyuubi's chakra but as was shown after his battle with Kiba even though he couldn't utilize the Kyuubi's chakra it was still able to heal his wounds. If stamina really depends on your physical attributes then I think this is what is responsible for Naruto having such a large amount of stamina even though he doesn't appear to have the physique for it and hasn't gone through excessive training like Gai or Lee do.
We don't know the specifics of exactly how, why or when Naruto's eyes would turn red, when it comes to that the anime has been consistently inconsistent and I won't bother bringing up how things are in the manga.
@Silent Snake: I agree. I got the impression that the amount of clones the person can use and what the clones will or won't be able to do depends on the amount of chakra the user has but the length of time for which the user can maintain the clones depends on their stamina. Which is why I think that other people would be able to use the same training method as Naruto, it just won't be as effective because depending on their chakra there would be a limit as to what the clones can do and if they don't have much stamina their clones wouldn't last very long. Btw that little bit with Naruto arguing with his own clones was hilarious especially when one of them pointed out that he was being an idiot because they are all the same person. Classic Naruto.
Last edited by Abdula; Sat, 04-26-2008 at 06:53 PM.
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I think that just using chakra (not a technique) is not very stressful on them, it's not like they're all doing rasengan. They're just using chakra to cut through a leaf, that's why I believe the shadow clones don't need a large amount of chakra at all.
The way Kakashi explained it tells me that the amount of time and chakra available for the clones wouldn't be very effective for other people so using it by others would be pretty pointless. Remember that Naruto had to cancel out all the clones, gain the fresh knowledge + exhaustion and after that, make all the clones yet again and tire even more. Naruto with huge amount of chakra + Kyuubi's healing handles it barely, no way for others to handle it and get profit out of it, they'd just tire themselves down without gaining anything.
the way I see it - amount of clones + naruto's stamina are the key for that kind of training to be successful AT ALL.
I don't see it that way since Kakashi made a point of mentioning that using one clone would cut the training in half and two clones would cut it by three etc. The point in the number of clones is that as Kakashi said for Naruto this training would probably take about twenty years so if he uses 1000 clones he should be able to cut it down to about a week. So I still say I don't see any reason why someone else wouldn't be able to use that training on a smaller scale since the required chakra and stamina is proportional to the number of clones.
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Well who's to say they haven't? Kakashi may not have been the first to ever think about this kind of training and even if he was it would be understandable since shadow cloning isn't really a jutsu just anyone can use.
Ok so here's the thought I got. Basically, after Naruto dispelled his clones, he became even more exhausted. Not only does he gain their experience, but also their exhaustion. For a normal person, this could be extremely devistating. They could be working out all day with 20 clones and become exhausted. Then they decide to call it a day, dispel the clones...and die. This is why this is a 'forbidden technique.' You can kill yourself without even knowing it by dispelling it. However, this wont really work on Naruto since the kyuubi is so strong it just wont be killed by Naruto's training, and even more so if Naruto is just using *his* chakra. Anyways, this technique can kill a ninja if they overdo it, but the worst it could do to Naruto is bring out the kyuubi, which would then need to be suppressed.
How's that sound?
Actually... that sounds pretty good. That explains both why it's a forbidden jutsu adn why naruto is the only one capable of performing this training.
Nods head. Sounds good. If Naruto is using his chakra for this training then the only reason why the exhaustion doesn't seem to be affecting him much is because of the recuperative abilities of the Kyuubi which gives Naruto incredible stamina. So If he indeed is using his own chakra then at the rate he is going and since he won't be running out of stamina anytime soon, its safe to assume that he should run out of chakra soon and then we will see the Kyuubi awaken.
Btw that made me laugh.
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I'm assuming those are the songs that go with the op and the ending?
Yes, they're the full version of the 4th and 5th ending themes of Shippuuden
Last edited by Buffalobiian; Fri, 05-09-2008 at 11:09 PM.
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Thanks Bill, i've been looking for that for a while now
..........Bill?Thanks Bill, i've been looking for that for a while now
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ive had the full version of mezamero yasei for quite a long time now, if i know people wanted it i woulda posted =[
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