Lost of info about ninjutsu and no action so overall crappy episode... as always.
I'm intrigued to how the new technique is gonna look like ( probably another rasengan... ) and just what can this wind jutsu do but other than that i just can't think of a reason to keep watching naruto
A village being destroyed, yep this filler is gonna be original if nothing else...
We knew Naruto was an idiot, but damn...poor Kakashi.
Anyway goo-gobs of Narutoverse questions answered is certainly a good thing. I had always wondered if Naruto had either shared awareness or actual control over his clones. This form of bond between clones however opens up a new door for Naruto to go thtough to get smarter, were he so inclined.
However this training method doesn't make any sense. if he creates a clone of himself and both try to solve a problem they'd both probably do it the same way since they're both Naruto. I don't see how he's supposed to learn faster if he has hundreds of clones with the same thought patterns trying to solve the same problem.
Last edited by Yukimura; Fri, 04-18-2008 at 02:31 PM.
I really enjoyed this episode.
Good animation and lots of buildup/information.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
I've been catching up as of late, I was back on episode 144 or so... got 3 more episodes more to go, but man the staring contests are pissing me off.
It's about time they got to this point in the anime. Maybe now, after they finally get to animating all the things in the manga that result from this, I can stop putting my palm to my face while saying "......disgrace"*shakes head* at the sight of Naruto. Oh, and whatever ultimate technique he learns, I hope he also learns a few lesser techniques in the process to round out his fighting abilities.
I also like how they decided to "save that for later" with regards to the other types of jutsu out there that don't seem to be related to the five basic elements. What I heard was this: "Lets wait until Hunter x Hunter comes up with some explanation for some of their more obscure skills, so that we can then proceed to rip it off, dumb it down, and package it in a more palatable format."
Good episode.. you know what would be fucking great?... If naruto kept training and team shikamaru went to do the next mission. ( Next episode will be filler rite?)
maybe that is why only naruto is suitable for it, his first attempst will rely on luck since he dont think too mich and if you have a lot of clones you have better chance to get lucky...Originally Posted by Yukimura
Well, if there were 2 of you, do you think you would both think the exact same thing at the exact same time? No, you wouldn't and since this training apparently relies on trial and error this looks like the way to go.
If anything doesn't make sense is how the hell he could survive after having 1000 different memories and experiences stuffed in his head in less than a second. Naruto has obviously never watched "The butterfly effect"
I thought it was a pretty damn good episode. I like the idea of the training, but I'm curious to know who these new enemies are that attacked the bordering village. These fillers seem to have more potential than the previous ones that turned out to be escort missions.
That is the problem, its not two different people trying to figure out the same thing its just one person. Its just Naruto and his clones and as we've seen before either in previous training sessions or in battle it doesn't matter how many clones of him there are they all think and act exactly the same, which is why they have never been effective. With Naruto its not as if your fighting multiple people as it is when, say Kakashi or the third used it, its just more like you're just fighting the same person over and over. Its one of the many examples of things in Naruto where Kishi purposely doesn't explain how it works so he can apply it however he wants later.
I mean Naruto has been using his clones since the very beginning and not only has he been unaware of this little nugget but he never seemed to have benefited from it at all. Anyway this is just Kishi's way of making up for the apparently wasted 2.5 years Naruto spent with Jiraiya. Rather cheap if you ask me because Sasuke, Sakura and everybody else spent that time actually improving now Naruto is just going to take a shortcut and most likely surpass all of them. Funny thing is they are probably going to just give him another superpowerful jutsu that he can't use properly and his basic skills are still going to suck. This is just as bad as when Ichigo cheated to gain Bankai and then went talking big to Byakuya, even though he still didn't even know how to use it properly.
Btw from what I understand about the way this works I don't see why anyone else couldn't use the same method. I get that no one else would be able to make as many clones as Naruto but all jonin level ninjas are supposed to be able to use shadow clones, I mean all you have to know is a single seal, so why couldn't someone else just use that training method. I mean even if its one clone they would still accomplish their training in half the time. Reminds me of rasengan because I still can't understand why other people can't do that either.
Good point about the butterfly effect though, I suppose it wouldn't have much effect on Naruto since this is more than likely just Kishi's way of making up for his lack of talent. I guess it really is just trial and error in which case, numbers would make a huge different but it couldn't possibly be just that simple.
Rant over, for now anyway.
Last edited by Abdula; Fri, 04-18-2008 at 03:51 PM.
Dreaming impossible dreams.
Sapphire is awesome!
I didn't mind this episode that much, especially since it seems to promise a new technique for the most fighting skill deprived character. Although how it underlined time after time Naruto's lack of wits was annoying. It's not like all there episodes so far hadn't taught us Naruto is lacking a little in the thinking department, so why make a special point of it anymore?
About Naruto's new training strategy, actually it should work pretty well. Yeah, it's a whole bunch of Naruto's training, look at this is way. Each Naruto has a certain probability (just about the same probability, since they're all Naruto) of succeeding at understanding something/accomplishing something during training in a certain time span. If you increase the number of Narutos training, the probability that one of them will achieve some measure of success in a given time frame, is increased.
Also, Kakashi explained why this method isn't for everyone. Not only can most people not create the same number of clones, most people can't sustain a shadow clone's existance for as long as Naruto can. Straight from the mouth of Kakashi. If you found a Jounin who could sustain, say, 3 clones for as long as Naruto can sustain 20, then yes, he could benifit from that training method in all likelihood. But as of right now, we don't that any ninja we've encountered can, and we don't know that any we've encountered can't, except kakashi, and probably sakura.
And if this is a cheezy way to make Naruto more powerful, I'm all for it. That fucking sharingan is second to none in cheese factor.
It's not only the ammount of chakra to create the clones, Kakashi also made notice of Naruto's stamina. You can pretty much assume that no one in Konoha has either the chakra ammount and stamina to make this effort worthwhile. Not only that, I'm willing to bet that not everyone (jounin+) or that many people know how to do the actual kage bunshin, and even if they do, that they can actually be any effective with it. They do some clones here and there, but not the actual kage bunshin.
Also, it's kinda dumb to assume that all the Naruto clones think the exact same way or would handle the same situation the exact same way. When you're confronted with the same situation or problem, do you always deal with it the exact same way? No. You never do.
Edit: Now you can argue that the rate at which he learns things might not be accurate, and I would agree. This is simply an oversimplification by Kakashi, but no matter what, the rate at which he learns the technique should be exponentially faster.
Last edited by Munsu; Fri, 04-18-2008 at 04:22 PM.
No, because it isn't enough to just be able to maintain the clones. You have to realize that not only is naruto using 1000 clones but he's also using a technique that requires some chakra. Even the jounins that are able to use a fair amount of shadow clones only use taijitsu while maintaining them since their chakra is already so spread out.
Btw, this technique gets retarded points for instantaneously returning the chakra from the clones to the user. I mean wtf does naruto have a bluetooth receiver on his ass or something?
Yet another fantastic point I somehow missed as to why this method works for naruto, and not others. *hi five*
well, if you do something difficult you think about different ways to do that "difficult" thing..
so, each shadowclone uses a different way to concentrate the shakra (maybe) and if one succeeds, all the clones focus on how to perfect it and so on.
this way, he will know which way is the most efficient way or easiest way to control it.
it does make sense...
btw, i liked this episode very much... finally some more "know-how" and the animation wasn't that bad either.
"Sensei is sorry! ~gomen gomen~!" ... good stuff ^^
Yamato was awesome, too... when he made that waterfall i got the urgent desire to play Populus lol....
Last edited by KrayZ33; Fri, 04-18-2008 at 04:28 PM.
Naruto has lots more chakra than normal people because he has naughty fox inside him, most people don't have naughty foxes inside them so they can't do that. Comprendo?
Besides when kakashi said that method would only work with naruto he was probably referring to all the people who were in the room at the time. Someone like kisame should be able to do it too.
Not bad. They made the clone training sound a little bit better than when I heard of it the first time (a friend of mine spoiled). At that point I was seriously thinking about abandoning Naruto, which says pretty much - yes, I followed the anime during the filler hell, but that was just because it was fillers = I can ignore it if I want.
Turkish-S: that's exactly what I said in another thread. Let's hope for the best.
lol huh?
you try to find something that makes "sense" in an anime where people can create a waterfall out of the blue?
so how does chakra return, lets see
if you go from A to B you go the same way back from B to A, normally..
so when he splitts his chakra in some weird way, the chakra will flow back the exact same, weird way.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Fri, 04-18-2008 at 04:41 PM.
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