The last shot of Angie was really creepy though. It's possible she's working for Tiger, as he didn't show up at all to compete or impede with Twenty Faces. Was there any point other than hurting Ken as a warning?
I really don't know what to think about that final scene. It certainly piqued my interest and set off all kinds of warnings.
I think she might become a rival/enemy to Chiko later in the series. Kind of like how Twenty Faces has the Tiger, Chiko will also have an appropriate counterpart.
I love this show. You know something like this has to happen yet it was well done and managed to make good emotional impact. I figure the next ep will be a good sized time jump, maybe 3+ years. It wasn't a coincidence the bumbling PI made it onto the train as well.
I was wondering why none of the other thieves in the intro looked like they aged at all (Except Ken), well now we know....
Ken should still be alive somewhere. What will that crappy chubby detective do if he finds Chiko?
Possibility of Angie still being alive? Slim... But it could be.
Now that I have seen this, could it be possible that Chiko will somehow, one way or another, team up with the other 2 girls(From the intro/ending) in the future? By being a detective during the day and a thief during the night?
So many possibility... But I hope the above is not one of them, that was done so many time already...
Last edited by BioAlien; Wed, 05-21-2008 at 06:01 PM.
Wow, didn't see any of that coming.
I guess this explains why Chiko becomes a darker person like in the OP. It really sucks that they were all killed off, and for such a retarded reason.
I had thought Tiger was lazy, trying to steal what's already stolen to get a better reputation. Like Angie turned out to be comparing herself to Chiko. But no. He's just an asshole, killing all of them so he could join up with Twenty-Faces and rule the world? WTF. From what we've seen about what kind of person he is, Twenty-Faces would never team up with someone who would do that.
It was a kind of strange episode. It's pretty obvious Twenty Faces thought this is the proper moment to make Chiko independent. After all, in such a profession she needs to be able to make her own decisions, plans, and learn not to always rely on others. And with that jolly good large family of thieves, that would have been hard. And also how she regretted betraying Angie so much must have been one more reason for Twenty Faces to decide it must happen now. While the man obviously appreciates friendship, he couldn't be a master thief if he let random acquaintances hamper missions.
What pissed me off in this ep was Chiko herself. She was completely useless. After all that training she couldn't do anything but evade a few axe swings. She had plenty of opportunities to take away the axe or even eliminate Angie but she did neither. In contrary she wasted time on the roof, removing any chances she might have had to help her comrades against the attackers.
I think that's what differentiated Chiko from Angie. Angie, like Tiger, was willing to kill their competition in order to become "the best" and gain fame. Instead of showing the other up with a greater feat or stealing it first, they opted to let Twenty-Faces do all the work and then kill them after to claim the prize. They had no honor, and deserved even less respect, as if putting in any kind of effort to get the reputation Twenty-Faces had (and Chiko was developing), was beneath them.Originally Posted by Kraco
Chiko was not a killer. She was a thief. She very well could have killed Angie (I totally expected her to multiple times in their exchanges) but instead she opted to try and save her in the end. Chiko tried to escape out the door, failed, and then went on the roof in order to escape. It's unfortunate that Angie followed her, since Chiko was trying to get to and warn the rest of the crew.
It's also good she never made it there. Just as Muta did, the others would have been killed protecting her. Chiko would have either died with them, or have been a liability to them as they protected her.
Chiko is useless against guns. She doesn't have mentality to harm other people. Sure she could have taken axe but she wouldn't attack Angie.
And for Twenty Faces i think instead of him loving be in spotlight, he is performing for someone else who knows his real face and uses media coverage as sorta a letter on how he is doing. In this arc he stole clock not for setting relic free but for a price from mayor in for of information on something/someone. And Twenty Faces is not 100% confirmed dead as his disappearing acts are magical.
"Life is hilariously cruel" by Bender
I wasn't talking about killing Angie. Angie was throwing the axe all the time, and nothing would have prevented from rendering her harmless (against Chiko) by taking the axe when it was somewhere else than in her hands. Why, Chiko could have even used the bloody axe to break the door. Or if that was too complicated a plan, she could have thrown the thing out of the window. This is why I call her useless. She didn't really look like she was in panic and she used her high acrobatics all the time to evade Angie's swings, so why couldn't she put two neurons together to do something intelligent?
Breaking the door is a foolish idea.
Throwing it out the window is a bit better, but she would have to take it from Angie first. Then she would have to throw the heavy axe out the window while Angie is out to attack her. If there is any problem, it is in the fact that she refused to hurt Angie numerous times, but that is just her personality. Taking the axe away will not only lower her agility (it did seem quite unwieldy, and Chiko was never strong), it may also force her to use it against someone she does not want to hurt in the heat of battle. Escape was her main priority at that time.
In the end, it is good that she got stuck there for a bit. Otherwise, everyone might have died a bit faster, including Ken.
Peace.
An axe doesn't weigh that much. Surely you have used an axe during your life. Even a large axe doesn't weigh more than 2 kg. If she had thrown it out of the window when Angie wasn't directly in front of the window, I very much doubt the other girl would have jumped in its way to get herself killed. Aside from the willingness to kill she was a much lousier fighter than Chiko, anyway, so without the axe Chiko could have played around with her at her leisure.
And obviously we will never know what would have happened with the others had Chiko dealt with Angie sooner. We had a few scenes of her very succesfully fighting against her buddies in mock fights and then we had those scenes of her putting up a good fight against the mafia guards at the hotel where they stole the jewel. She might have made a difference and actually saved somebody's life. After all, she would have been coming from behind.
Well, all that just proves Twenty Faces made a correct choice to choose this moment to begin her independence training. She could use a harder and more decisive character.
A 2kg axe? Well, I am no expert on weapons, but that seems a tad too light, at least compared to how it appeared in the show (especially how Angie handled it). I mean I have a wooden stick (called an arnis, its a weapon too) that is as heavy as that, and it doesn't have a sharp metal head stuck on the end. Either way, they are little girls, so even 2kg may be a bit heavy. Chiko is only 12, as I remember.
I was not referring to the danger to Angie when throwing the axe (my point there was that Chiko might leave an opening if she took the trouble of throwing it out the window), but rather when she has it in her possession. I am pretty sure she is not adept with axes, and because of such inexperience, she might inadvertently injure Angie in the process.
I do agree with you on the point that Angie is a much lousier fighter than Chiko. Too bad it doesn't count for much if Chiko doesn't want to use it on her first friend.
While we can never be sure of what will happen, judging from her character (assuming that even if she did manage to leave earlier she is still unwilling to kill or severely injure the enemy) she will be a hindrance. That is more telling than the mock fights as well as the hotel scene, where she was basically just escaping (using the stairs and the like just to do damage too) rather than knocking people out.
EDIT: I just tested it out with a 2kg weight. Even 2kg is quite heavy, and throwing it or wielding it is no easy feat. Fighting with it is much more difficult than simply chopping wood. I honestly doubt that young Chiko would be able to hurl it accurately out the window, much less use it to fight or defend herself if she has never done so before.
Last edited by shinta|hikari; Thu, 05-22-2008 at 06:05 AM.
Peace.
It's good to keep in mind when evaluating the axe that the comparison of its size you make is based on the size of a kid, so it looks bigger than it would in the hand of an adult. And 2 kg equals to a bottle of soda. The distance to the window from the door was something like 2 meters if even that. A man could have kicked the axe out of the window, and Chiko surely would have been able to throw it (why, Angie was swinging it around and throwing it without any extra effort).
Let's also keep in mind that Angie had a pretty solid faith in the power of that axe. If she had seen it in Chiko's hands, she would most likely have become extremely careful. She was not like Chiko who was trained to trust in good eye and skills, not only a weapon (as demonstrated by Twenty Faces himself who suddenly yet coolly just kicked the gun out of Tiger's hand. Tiger with those claws was obviously someone who valued weapons and scaring his opponents above skills).
Just watched the episode, it was a great one.
Some theories:
- Mister is still alive.
- Mister was aware of the killings going on, but let it happen.
- He talked about needing someone like him, Chiko, while he was talking about the painful lessons he learned during the war. He might've been doing the same to Chiko.
Perhaps having Chiko experience how horrible weapons and violence are, she would follow in his footsteps?
Is it just me, or have of the many things the crew have stolen, several were actually remarked as being stolen under looters in one war or another? Except perhaps the clock, since that was more about keeping the town from selling it.
That's what I meant by Mister being aware of what was going on, and simply let it happen so that Chiko would become more like him.Perhaps having Chiko experience how horrible weapons and violence are, she would follow in his footsteps?
What happened to Ken? How did Chiko miss him between the bullet ridden section and 21-faces? Maybe the next episode will explain how he mysteriously disappeared.
Got into one of the rooms? That's probably what happened.
i don't know, we don't know much about twenty faces, but he doesn't really seem like the type of person who would just sit there calmly and silently cheer on the bad guys while they massacre his entire crew. it's also a bit of a contradiction to say that he let it happen so that chiko could evolve, since it implies that he doesn't care about his crew while at the same time implying that he cares about chiko, who's part of his crew.
with larger than life characters like twenty faces, there's always the assumption that, being wise and extremely smart, they're always one step ahead of their enemy and are aware of their plans. still, i think it's quite possible that twenty faces just didn't realize what was happening until tiger showed up in his car. or he realized too late and there was nothing he could do, so did nothing to stop it.
then again, i could be wrong and he could just be a completely selfish person concerned only with leaving a legacy. he did say something about wanting to run the world.
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