To me Marianne's death was a key point to manipulate Lelouch into becoming that angry rogue prince... And seeing how she was dealing with things, I think Marianne was even the one proposing it...Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
To me Marianne's death was a key point to manipulate Lelouch into becoming that angry rogue prince... And seeing how she was dealing with things, I think Marianne was even the one proposing it...
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
For all we know she was just a very positive person. After all this time after her death, she still has fans in high places who remember her fondly. So, it could be just her personality that allows her to take it cool despite having been murdered.
Still, since it's Code Geass we are talking about, you never know...
okay, well... i suppose some of the things revealed in this episode were done decently enough... it felt like a terrible episode in parts, but, well... ...
Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".
its nightspeed in case your not cool with that
http://tracker.anirena.com/download.php?id=13297
and wow i guess i have to give these guys credit even when i think they have nothing left to shock me with i have no idea how they can wrap this up but as someone said there was no way they would let this end without a big ass robot war lol
Favorite Gotwoot Mod moment: "Why is everyone in that show black? The art and music are pretty good, and the voice acting is alrite as well......but i can't stand that guy who follows afro around. Hes so, well, black, for the lack of a better term (well thats not true, there is a better term, but i wont use it here)" Assassin
i was raised by this woman =O
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JrR7hPT9Bs
Nah, nightspeed it is fine. There are some glitches here and there, but with regards to their speed, they're good.
I whish quality was always at least that.
Try to find some Saint Seiya OAVs from the past, you'll understand my point
Anyways thanks for the link, dl in progress, though a bit slow eventhough there are so many peers and leechers.
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
GG is out go get it
http://ggkthx.org/Torrents/[gg]_Code_Geass_R2_-_21_[DC0CAB1A].mkv.torrent
So GG is quite quick too.
Nice ep. I didn't think Lelouch would be so quick in erasing everything from his past in such a way. But whatever.
Also CC is sad. Schneizel is in for big trouble. Suzaku .... of Zerovery convenient... (word missing for not spoiling)
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
More WTF!!?? from Code Geass. I don't think I want to know how they plan to top this for the finale. Schneizel is going to have some sort of hax that's even more broken than Charuru's Jupiter canon, what that could possibly be I don't know but I'm sure it will be fabulous like everything Schieizel does.
Oh by the way...HOW THE FUCK DID THEY GET OUT?!
Well Suzaku and CC entered so I guess it's possible to get out.
Also, I suspect Schneizel to have his own geass.
After all, he is also one of Charles prefered sons. He may be part of plan B...
We have to remember that the Ragnar Øk connects everyone together, dead ones too...
So even with Charles and Marianne dead, the plan still is of interrest.
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
Well, much like how Suzaku and C.C. got in, I guess.
I knew that Marianne was in it with Charles, because in Code Geass, they never give positive cues regarding a plot twist. Instead, they don't give out any negative cues that will make it impossible, and if you find a plot direction that isn't impossible but completely unpredictable, then that is where CG is going to go.
Peace.
Shit... what an episode... what an episode!!!
So I guess this answers the questions of why Marianne seemed so calm... she never did care about her children... and that is why CC abandoned her... I think.
I think it was a bit rushed for Lelouch to discard his mother just like that, when she was always a big part of his determination, but the loss of Nunnally and the betrayal of not only the emperor but his mother as well must have been very shocking.
The end was awesome... so I guess now Schneizel will attack the new emperor... but... what will the Rounds do? Gino doesn't look happy... but they are supposed to server the emperor... and where is Anya?
The preview makes me think Kallen is visiting Lelouch...
And I was hoping for Lelouch to say something about freeing the Numbered countries since Suzaku has agreed to be his Knight... what will the traitors... errr... the Black Knights do? I do hope Kallen leaves them and joins Lelouch... what are his intentions now???
OMG... the series finale will be amazing at this rate...
Charles and Marianne's little plan was certainly the most innovative and unpredictable in all of anime.
/sarcasm
How many times have they done Instrumentality as some evil mastermind plan to make world peace? (Using the most prominent label for this now-cliche plot) To be honest, I expected a lot more out of this series that to cop out with that. Fortunately, they were able to stop it and jump the shark by having Lelouch Geass God.
I just don't know what to think about this series anymore.
I'm sure this post will earn a down rep (my similar complaints about the last episode certainly did), but I can't be the only one who thinks this series has gone way too overboard, and just makes a series of HOLY SHIT Moments in lieu of actually resolving anything anymore.
Last edited by Ryllharu; Sun, 08-31-2008 at 03:08 PM. Reason: I can't decide how to make a decent post with all these WTF episodes
I understand how you feel.
But the plot you describe happened now at ep 21, not ep25.
And in 4 eps, there's still room for a lot of plot twists...
Believe in Lelouch, Believe in CC!
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
Wow, talk about condensing two or three episodes into long poorly crafted monologues.
Fair enough.
I wouldn't be making nearly as much "stupid whining" if this series had not turned to shit the last few episodes. I'll even back up my whining with appropriate examples.
Where's all the intelligent, elaborate planning that season 1 was know for? It's all skin of the teeth, last minute turns of the tide. Schniezel seems to be the only one still thinking worth a damn in the series. It wasn't that great after China, but after Lelouch lost the Black Knights, he's just been plowing through everything with "OBEY ME" Geass commands.
There's no battle strategy anymore either. When it was once, "use the terrain, destroy the terrain, draw enemies into traps set well in advance, attack from the left, right and below in order to herd them into a vastly disadvantaged situation." You know the things Lelouch did in season 1, and the same stupid shit he was falling for when Xingke used it on him? Since Xingke's last battle against the Black Knights, the series has fallen into, "flank from the north, and we will use this overpowered Knightmare conveniently modified/created by [insert scientist here] to destroy all enemy forces at our true objective."
I am aware there are four episodes left, but when was the last time they concluded a subplot without immediately switching to another Unforeseen TWIST
Most of the things that made the first season so engaging are gone. They exchanged it for cliffhangers every episodes and off the wall plot twists that you can only foresee by thinking what isn't completely impossible (as shinta pointed out, but in a far less negative manner). Just like OP, they parade out the characters without giving them any development anymore, and keep adding more on pushing all the other ones aside.
I don't think I have the motivation to blindly praise each episode anymore, so if that leaves only criticism, so be it. If that is not welcome, then I do not believe I will be posting in these threads much anymore.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
While I also think that this episode was extremely rushed, I am not against the developments that have happened so far. It is not that the direction of the story is bad, but rather, it was not developed properly with better storytelling and pacing. As Everon said, it was poorly executed with a debate between father and son, which could have used an episode or two of build up instead of just "talking".
I also agree with Ryll about the lack of what made season 1 interesting, but that does not necessarily mean that more of the same will make R2 any better. I personally thought the battle with Xing Ke was well played out, with Lelouch being defeated because of his overconfidence as well as lack information (which he could not have obtained anyway).
The god-like mechas are there to keep action fans happy.
I am still reserving my judgment of this series until I see the ending. Four episodes means a lot in CG, considering how liable they are to cram stuff in each one. If they use the remaining episodes to tie up all loose ends and create a climactic battle between Schneizel and Lelouch, then a dramatic LelouchXC.C. ending, then all is well. Still, regardless of what happens and my criticisms against it, Code Geass will still be a great anime, which unfortunately, seems to be suffering from its competition with its own reputation.
R2 could have been twice as good with 12 more episodes, less time skips, better pacing, and more character development.
EDIT: A better topic of discussion would be, why did Lelouch decide to take the throne? What is he fighting for now?
Peace.
Ryllharu, you have every right to be personally disappointed, but it's not really the series fault if it didn't meet your expectations. And while I myself agree the first season had better subplots it does not serve to neglect to notice the setting changed as well. The first season was mainly smaller scale local fighting in Japan whereas this second season is nothing but international politics. So, the focus shifted from tactics to politics, which seemed to lead to a degeneration of what battle tactics there were left, unfortunately, but since they aren't anymore the focus it's also somewhat understandable.
In my opinion it was also a long time ago established Charles didn't give a damn about the mundane world. He was thinking it's all the same what happens because his big plan will fix everything afterwards. And what could such a plan be? I don't know what exactly you had in mind, but I think this was pretty much what lay at the end of such a road, especially considering the hints dropped here and there.
Ryllharu's bitter complaints aside, I think this was an immensely interesting episode. I kind of hoped something more to happen between Lelouch and C.C., though. Right now it's very hard to judge Lelouch's state of mind at all, as well as C.C.'s. Do they even desire anything anymore or are they just lingering in life due to a sense of duty of finishing what they began by defeating Charles and his plans?
A pox on those who neg rep'd me for my last post that was somewhat accurate in this episode.
Now, with the confirmation of this episode, looks like Nunally won't be coming back, unless at the R2's finale, as a theme to remind Lelouch of his work. Bringing that along, I would say that Lelouch has finally begun a path of an anti-hero, now that the theme of "lies" and "masks" has been repeated consistently. Lelouch is obviously in a state of denial and avoidance right now because of the twist of Marianne actually being alive, and the fact that she neglected himself and Nunally for their own selfish desires. God knows what he's doing, but since he has Suzaku on his side, it is safe to say that Lelouch and Suzaku have finally compromised with each other and melded each other's ideologies. It is also doubtful that Suzaku was geass'd again to be his Knight, but the explanation of Lelouch's second geass hasn't been explained yet.
However, that is both advantageous and disadvantageous in some aspects, as siding with Suzaku will mean that Lelouch will have new enemies. The OBK (and the Japanese) for one, which has always had a diverging opinion on Suzaku, and Schneizel & Co. (includes Knights of Round?), for a clear reason that Schneizel had always wanted to create a world of his own. However, it is not clear which side the Knight of Round will take in this, since Gino dislikes Schneizel and doesn't seem very loyal to Lelouch (who would be at this point?). Bismark is another story, because no one knows what he's thinking!
While the possibility of David75's theory seems very plausible, I have a prediction that Lelouch and Nunally were Charles and Marianne's plan "C". I mean, there's the fact that Lelouch and Nunally were the next targets in V.V's slaughter, but there must be more to the story of this. Of all the women and mistresses and their children, why did V.V only kill Marianne and why did Charles only save Lelouch and Nunally? Of all the heirs to the throne (amount seen in the last segment of the episode), why save only Lelouch and Nunally? If Marianne was neglectful of her own children, she probably wouldn't have given a damn about what happened to them, right? She never even mentioned anything about Nunally's death.
08:14: "You have to push away what you really treasure." - C.C
Of course, this would have to show how much brilliance these two have, to even use Lelouch as a pawn - if it were to ever happen.
With the story advancing on as a global scene, it is hard to coordinate local battles if led by Lelouch, Kraco. With the world stage set on Lelouch, it's clear that the writers have dropped tactics for policy and prioritize more on the progress of Lelouch's character and goals. Who knows what he's going to do now? It's been a month since FLEIJA was fired, with a day that took place during the Lelouch-Charles-Marianne confrontation. So with 30 days planning, who knows what's going to happen? IMO, it's going to be Lelouch's downfall from here, with Schneizel as his greatest obstacle - maybe the OBK too for irony.
I also like the irony with Diethardt in the background when Kannon said "well, he has risen in status through betrayal before".
Last edited by enkoujin; Sun, 08-31-2008 at 05:54 PM.
Lelouch got his Geass of Hax, now he can Geass the fuck out of mankind himself and geass the gods too.
Well lets stop Listening to Scheinzel because no matter the ep, the end is always the same.
"Mmmmhhh good, exactly what I needed"
Now, Lelouch HAS TO WIN, because he pwnd Britannia with a rebel state a cheap Geass and one ally. Now he got the world for him, Uber Geass Mod Activated and the world at his feet.
If Scheiznel wins now, people writting CG will have to be fired.
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