Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2

[mage]

The Zero on the battlefield is not the real Zero. I was wondering why he simply did not try to manipulate or even Geass the Tian Zi to order Xing Ke to stop attacking after its power difference was evident instead of engaging in a head on battle, but after seeing him at school it's clear. He would've chosen the Geass route if he were able to. As mentioned earlier, it only kept showing the right side of his face through the mask, which is obviously a hint he can't use Geass. Zero on the battlefield is someone in his outfit with a speaker most likely.

[Yukimura]

It is odd that Zero has had his mask on constantly for almost two full episodes but there's some confusion if it's really not Lelouch there with them. When talking to C.C. about how he'd known details about Xing Ke's plans he mentioned having obtained information from random underlings using Geass, obviously he could just be lying, but then how did he know?

[shinta|hikari]

It was cut in the subbed episodes, but in the promotion section after the credits of the raw, Suzaku actually comments about the fact that Lelouch is in two places at once. I guess there is simply not enough data to give an educated guess at this point because that is what the creators intended.

[KrayZ33]

so who is as intelligent as Zero? If there is someone, than lelouch is simply not needed in the Black Knights...

maybe they made some super-awesome-hax teleporter or hologram.. (I hope not xD)

[shinta|hikari]

What about an android?

[David75]

You know what? we only need to have someone the size of lelouch wearing the mask... and manipulated like a pupet.
Then with a good radio, Lelouch can directly speak in the mask device that changes his voice, the guy under the mask being mute all the time.
It's in fact totally probable that he has a video/audio capture device in the mask and that speaker...

How's that idea? after all we're in a show where mech can fly, so a mask with those abilities, even with a wireless secured and long distance connection isn't impossible...

[KrayZ33]

How's that idea? after all we're in a show where mech can fly, so a mask with those abilities, even with a wireless secured and long distance connection isn't impossible...

I had this idea at first too
but how is the person supposed to move his arms hand and his whole body to Lelouch speeches?

It would be weird if Lelouch says *No* but the person who is "playing" Zero is nodding.
It seems impossible in my opinion.. unless that person who is playing Zero studied him really good...but this would probably mean that he also knows that Lelouch = Zero.

Imho its pretty much not possible to mimic the bodylanguage... especially when you don't know what the person is going to do/say

take only the kidnapping scene for example.. that would be impossible to fake

I HOPE that it's not just someone playing him and I don't want them to turn Code Geass into a second Deathnote (ep 25-end) where everything is so extremely complex, impossible to predict and gets ridicilous

[mage]

It's possible that the fake Zero was Geass'd to take all commands from Lelouch. It's also strange that C.C. would ask him if he had used a "truth serum" when she has been so frank in the past about simply saying Geass, but then Zero just replies that he used a truth serum called Geass. Perhaps this was a way to talk about it while keeping fake Zero out of the loop.

[RyougaZell]

Hmmm... correct me if I'm wrong... but didn't the scene where Lelouch tells Kallen if she would return to him to the school taken place already on China? Plus Lelouch did take off his mask on the iceberg, in front of Sayoko (unless its Sayoko under the mask since we haven't seen her since then).

Loved Kallen pouting upon seeing Zero and CC enter the elevator together.
Also loved how CC practically made the vehicle hers with all those stickers of the Pizza Hut's mascot.

[Kraco]

I still find it hard to believe the real Lelouch would be sitting back in Japan while some fake was there to witness the crusial life or death moments of the Black Knights. Moreover so when we know the real Lelouch was in China during the chess match when he was considering geassing the people in the room. So, he would have needed to switch after that. I guess it's possible but a longer shot than somebody insignificant being back in Japan, where the only thing needed is to make the students think Lelouch is still there. You'd think that's quite a bit easier than what he's doing in China.

[RyougaZell]

At least during the match he was wearing a helmet... but I did go back to confirm the scene I mentioned. Kallen falling on top of Lelouch DID take place in China.
And unless there is a new super powerful Geass (which would be very badly used if it was only to change places often) the Lelouch on Japan is likely the fake one... and my vote is on a uber disguised Sayoko.

[David75]

After all µSayoko would be the best at mimicing Lelouch for she has been knowing him for ages, of course that's only if she has some king of gift to it, which would be convenient for the show.

[shinta|hikari]

Sayoko is one scary bitch. Much of her recruitment process was shown in the DVD specials of code geass, and I tell you, she is craaaazy (to the point where she gained respect and fear from everyone in the BK). Add to that her emo/psycho side, and you get one formidable agent. There is literally no telling what she can do.

[Ryllharu]

Which one was that shinta, Picture Book 9.75?

Or was it one of the audio episodes or other things that never got subbed?
(i.e. not one of the audio eps you quick-subbed for us)

[Buffalobiian]

Lets say Lelouch wins Tien Zi over, and convinces her that he's helping her, but the Eunuch are going to kill Xing Ke. She makes a broadcast that the Eunuch have betrayed China. Would Scheizel take those words and attack the Army, or just shake it off, rescue the Empress and reassure her that they have not betrayed her?

Edit: missed this page. I'm going with the Sayoko disguise idea, since I would think it's the most probable.

[animus]

Maybe Sayoko got major plastic surgery to look like Lelouch? Zomg!

[shinta|hikari]

@Ryll - Its from the Code Geass DVD magazine 1 and 2

These are raw because no one ever bothered to subtitle them. If you have a decent grasp of Japanese, you can check them out. I am not sure if a translation exists somewhere, but you guys should be better equipped researching for it (Yes I am talking about you Ryll )

Most of this is comedy, and a lot of the moments are "out of the story canon" as the DVD itself mentions, but since it is so far the only source of info about Sayoko (more or less), this is where I base my understanding of her.

[MFauli]

I really hope that Leloch starts winning again. Becomes tiring how all of his plans fail to some degree nowadays. And, well.---i dont like how Xin Ke has a mind on paar with Lelouch, i mean, that´s what makes Lelouch special.

I, too, hope for a grand comeback for the following episodes.

[David75]

I really hope that Leloch starts winning again. Becomes tiring how all of his plans fail to some degree nowadays. And, well.---i dont like how Xin Ke has a mind on paar with Lelouch, i mean, that´s what makes Lelouch special.

I, too, hope for a grand comeback for the following episodes.

I guess that ruling the world is not just a matter of brains and Geass... Or Lelouch will never be able to attain his goals, because on those two matters he clearly is not the stronger in the world.

I hope Lelouche will soon realize that he needs other powerful people around him, some with Geass (like Rollo) others with brains (like his intelligence service guy...), others with combat abilities and so on.

The burden on him is clearly too high as of yet, meaning he is at his limit in being able to control everything all by himself. Although we do not know much about the emperor, it seems that his empire has a very pyramidal power distribution, meaning that the Emperor only does what matters for his system to work.
I may be wrong, but Lelouch really needs to deleguate a little more.

[Ryllharu]

I really hope that Leloch starts winning again. Becomes tiring how all of his plans fail to some degree nowadays. And, well.---i dont like how Xin Ke has a mind on paar with Lelouch, i mean, that´s what makes Lelouch special.

I, too, hope for a grand comeback for the following episodes.

Going on with what David said, Lelouch admits he might not be the smartest. In fact, he knows better by now. Cornelia bested him early on in season 1 (a lesson he took to heart and later came back to railroad her). Cornelia was weak on the political front, but amazing in the martial disciplines. Euphemia was weak on both of those, but she managed to outsmart Lelouch with her incredibly naive ideals. Against her push for the Japanese Zone, the Black Knights would commit political suicide no matter what they did. Luckily for Lelouch, he fucked up so badly with his Geass that he was able to salvage the situation into a total victory.

And now, Lelouch has openly admitted he's never won at chess against Schniezel. That's a huge admission for Lelouch. Though it was years back, Lelouch was very proud that he had never lost to any of his other siblings (that we know about) in a chess match. That's saying that no matter how black and white (no pun intended) a contest of wits is, Schniezel would probably be his superior.

So with Xing Ke, it's just one more person that Lelouch is break even with. Lelouch should have known better with the rice paddies. That was definitely a fault for him. I wonder how much of his lack of knowledge there was because of the abruptness of needing to devise a plan to kidnap Tian Zi immediately after moving to Chinese territory. It seemed like he had planned to do it for some time, but the impending marriage forced his hand.

Combine that with not enough time to become familiar with the territory like he was with Japan, and he was bound to trip up somewhere. Lelouch had the advantage of not only living there for how many years, he also had people like Kallen, Ougi, Tamaki, and the Japanese Liberation Front people to fill in the gaps.