Wow, the fanservice level was over 9000. Chachama-C.C. for the win. <3 18:56
One thing that was a bit lame about the high quantity fanservice was that it pushed a lot of potential plot fleshing out aside. the abruptness of the shift from 19:59 to 20:00 could have been explained a lot better.
And lol at yet another cliffhanger ending. Suzaku is a huge douche for doing that.
At least Lelouch was still smart enough to turn away while he talked. He was smart enough not to trust himself being able to hide his reaction.
So Nunnally has been reinstated as a princess. I've got to hand it to Suzaku though. If there was any way to break Lelouch's lying mask, that was it. Lelouch is going to have to hurt her so badly in order to continue pretending he hasn't remembered anything. I wonder if Nunnally will take it badly. That therefore, makes Suzaku a huge asshole. Torturing Nunnally, who's been isolated from him for so long, and will have to accept somehow that Lelouch has been brainwashed and has no idea who she is.
I suspect that Suzaku will be looking for any sort of recognition in Lelouch's voice.
C.C. for all her wisdom, is kind of stupid at times. The look of sadness on her face at the end in the car was priceless.
I assume they went for all the ecchi now instead of waiting for episode 22 like last time so that the violence can take up all the remaining episodes. This might be some of the last comedy relief we get at the school.
Other than silencing Viletta for the time being, I wonder what they are actually going to do with her.
ok... you guys are funny. Lelouch is dooing something just as bad to Rollo. I personally applaud Suzaku (or more likely the Emperor) for such a tactic. take the one weakness of your enemy and exploit it to hell! its genius,
Lelouch can either lie to Nunnaly or expose himself
as Zero, he's gonna have to start a war against his sister, the reason he was fighting in the first place!
I'm actually starting to like Suzaku (although he is still an ideologist... he wants to become the most powerful person after the emperor... why? to free Japan! he should really be more honest with himself)
Yeah, but we like Lelouch. Well...most of us do anyway. He's the protagonist and an anti-hero. He said from the start he'd do awful things in order to secure a safe place for Nunnally. Suzaku on the other hand, started out as this idealist zealot force of Justice, Gundam style. A superior machine, a great pilot, super soldier swearing to change it all from the inside, by converting enemies (like Kallen) and harming no innocents. He still claims to be doing all this, but he's turned out just as bad as Lelouch.
We've been over that argument a thousand times. One is a self-proclaimed monster, and the other is a hypocrite "saint." Take your pick.
And not too many people like Rollo anyway. It sucks that he's going to have to be put in the crossfire since his life basically sucked, but hey...the Emperor made him this way.
Good call on the Nunnally versus Lelouch though. I didn't think of that.
Its been confirmed. Suzuku is a bastard, for putting Nunully through this.
I don't understand how Suzuku can continue believing he's making a difference. Area 11 is still a complete shithole and all he's doing is helping Britannia conquer more.
(I'm guessing Rolo's weakness is that he can't use geass against people who close their eyes.)
Last edited by Everon; Sun, 05-04-2008 at 03:41 PM.
Wow the fanservice in this episode was ridiculous:
C.C. in a giant bucket of tomatoes
Kallen in the mascot suit(I love the camera angle lol)
Anyway, Im really surprised to see that its Suzaku behind most of the planning to counter Zero. It seems he does have some command ability. Anyway I gotta admit bringing in Nunally as the govenor general was a brilliant move on Suzaku's part.
As for what Ryll said, ill take Lelouche anyday at least hes not a Hypocrite.
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I also think that was a smart move by Suzaku (if it is indeed his plan). I can't even really be mad about that. And yea, the fanservice was a bit much. I'm not sure why Kallen had to be dressed so skimpily (not that I'm complaining that much). And knowing that some of the Black Knights are aware that they're pawns...hmm; a bit interesting.
You are wrong Ryll. Because Suzaku has never been the good guy. Why does it seem like everyone thinks he has been in the right, when he in fact NEVER has been in the right. Is it because he spouts out hypocrizy everywhere he goes? Spouting out idealist crap that makes him to blind to even see what he himself is doing wrong. "Oh, I want to save this country, but until I have the POWER to do tha on MY OWN, I will just kill EVERYONE who stands in my way".
Suzaku has been like this from ep 1. Nothing has changed in reality, it's just that now he is sinking lower in his methods for achieving his own self-righteous bullshit that no one except him and some stupid Britannian students believe in.
It is a very simple model, Britannia is in the wrong, they invaded a defenseless country without reason other than their own greed. Suzaku is a part of that greed, hence, he is in the wrong.
Lelouch might at first look like a bad guy because he talks of himself like a demon more or less. Is he a demon 'cause he wants justification and truth about his mothers death? Is he a demon because he wants peace? Is he a demon because he wants his sister to be able to live in a world where power shapes the world (survival of the fittest)? And is he a demon because he wants to liberate a country who has been oblitirated and brought to it's knees?
Lelouch has always been in the right and Suzaku always in the wrong. The only thing that seems to be confusing people is that Suzaku is/was "cute" and Lelouch "seems" to be a bad guy.
And this disgusting part about using Nunally like that is one of the most crappy things I've seen from any of these guys.
Have you ever been inside of one of those suits?Originally Posted by rockmanj
Its freaking hot I tell you!!!
Nice episode. Arthur rulez because he always bites Suzaku. Too bad he didn't ruin that feather pen.
Suzaku... he definitely needs to die...
Will these blackmail end with Viletta switching sides for Ogi?
Chachamaru-CC rocked....
You know, neither of these guys are really good guys. They have the same goal, but the means to those goals are conflicting. Suzaku is certainly not worse than Lelouche is. He's about the same. Lelouche doesn't really seem to care about Japan. What he cares about are, his sister, and his vengence (or 'justice' if you choose to see it that way). He's liberating Japan as a side effect of bringing down an oppresive power for the sake of his sister, not Japan's. Also, He can't do it Suzaku's way, because his revenge insists that he destroys Brittania. The Japanese are are chess pieces, exactly as one of the characters in the anime mentioned. Also, remember the end of last season? When he left the battle because he heard Nunnaly was caught? The greater good would've been to stay there and ensure the victory of Black Knights, but no. He went after his sister, because without her, nothing else matters. He left his chess pieces to burn, and left Japan to continue under oppressive rule, all for his sister.
Yeah, Suzaku killed his father for "peace", kills whoever chooses to stand in his way, yadda yadda. I'm not mentioning him because no one seems to be having issues seeing through his hypocritical self-righteousness. The trouble seems to be in seeing Lelouche for his hypocrisy. At least, Suzaku's care for the Japanese is genuine. If he were to succeed, he'd be fit to rule. If Lelouche were to succeed, he would not be fit to rule. In fact, I'm convinced Lelouche himself knows this.
Edit to next post: I love both these assholes, whachoo trying to say?
Last edited by Uchiha Barles; Sun, 05-04-2008 at 08:16 PM.
Well there is a thing that everyone misses I think.
The bad guy is the Emperor, period.
Suzaku is laying bricks in hell with cement mixed from innocents' blood thinking that in the long run it'll help. " Sacrifices are to be made. " he thinks.
Lelouch has a goal, and for him to reach it, he needs to manipulate and make other people die. Sacrifices again ...
They are both, killing, and willing to kill for their cause.
They are both good and evil, yet fighting each other. And this is why CG is a such a great show. No stereotypical bullshit.
The goal they both want to reach is just respectable and fairly honest.
But the methods they use are totally despecicable.
So here we are, with a demon and a devil, fighting against each other to win the right to fight the king of the nine hells. With sacrificial lambs trapped in the crossfire. And Code Geass shines for one simple thing.
The two Self-centered bastards are still likable, yet no sane person can like both.
A twisted Bravo is what thiss show deserves with that fifth ep making it clear.
There is no hypocrisy in Lelouch's way of life. "a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess." Cut from dictionary just to make it clear. Lelouch is honest about what he does, everyone with half a brain knows what he's about and why.
Lelouch probably wouldn't want to rule a country since he knows that power is not the way to rule in a peaceful country, he shows this in the way he despises the emperor who is just the kind of ruler that you think Lelouch would be.
Their goal doesn't justify wether or not the cause is right. Lelouch is right because of the simple reason that he is on the right countries side. And for that matter, the goals of their paths are quite different to Japan as an independent country. If Suzaku would gain control over Japan, Japan would at best look something like Wales, where as we know they do have a certain amount of independent rulership, but where by law that rulership could be rewoked at any time. The difference is that that would never happen in the real world, but in this fictional world it is more than likely that Brittania would use that power to overthrow Japan once it would have once again under the rule of Suzaku regained it's freedom. A puppet-nation, doing the world police a favour whenever it is needed.
Lelouch's goal would result in a truly free Japan independent of Brittania, EU and China. And if he achieved his goal, he would probably elect a leader other than himself.
If you say that Lelouche is not a hypocrite, then the same can be said of Suzaku. I said Lelouche is a hypocrite because he uses the pretense of liberating the Japanese to achieve his personal ends. I say Suzaku is a hypocrite because while he seeks just rule for Japan, he wants to do it without Bloodshed, but shed's blood anyway. You say Lelouche is not a hypocrite because Lelouche is honest about being a monster (note, only to himself and those who've already figured it out). In that case, I say that Suzaku is not a hypocrite, because in his mind, if there was no rebellion against Brittania, he wouldn't have to fight them, and he could go about changing things from the inside, with minimal bloodshed. The rebellion is forcing his hand. The rebellion causes bloodshed, is he supposed to let it happen? No one who dislikes bloodshed would. However, in stopping bloodshed, one must shed blood. That's quite just. To stop a murderer who won't stop killing, you kill him. This is not hypocrisy anymore than Lelouche displays, according to the way you choose to view things.
Also, what determines right and wrong? Lelouche is right for choosing the side of the country that was wrong? So the person who decides to liberate Japan using roundabout methods all in an effort to reach the same goal, having shed much less blood, is wrong? How can one praise Lelouche for all his deviancy in tactics, but not praise Suzaku for his deviancy in strategy?
Kururugi Suzaku murdered his own father at the age of ten because he supported rebelling against an evil empire, then joined said evil empire to serve it without question - in effect, he decided that because his real father had failed at defending their country, he deserved to die, and turned Britannia into his father figure. He views the Britannian empire and its leadership as his personal messiahs. He has something akin to a way more fucked up version of Stockholm Syndrome and it bothers me that people in this show act like Suzaku is a reasonable part of the loyal opposition. He's a fucking batty loon.
That or a huge dick.
Mmmm scantily clad Viletta.
Seriously how can people even argue over who's a hypocrite?
Suzaku I think everyone can agree he's a Hypocrite as is already well documented in this thread.
Lelouch on the other hand seriously what has he ever done thats Hypocritical? While his plans don't always go as he wishes them to go and he has made sacrifices along the way he has never at any point strayed from his goals.
The Goals of Lelouch
1. Find out who was responsible for his mothers death and get revenge.
2. Protect Nannaly(or however you spell it)
3. Make the world a place where Nannaly can live without worries.
4. Take out the Emperor
Freeing Japan isn't one of his goals however doing so will help with goals 3 and 4. When he left the battle in the end of season 1 he really didn't betray anyone. He left the vast majority of his forces to continue the assault and only took himself and C.C. to try and protect his 2nd and 3rd goal. Kallen following him was purely of her own will and nothing he ordered her to do.
So seriously when has Lelouch ever at any point done something hypocritical to his goals? Heck he even added additional things like refusing to use his Geass to change Suzaku's mind to show he was doing the right thing.
About the episode.
Great episode it tied up a lot of the things we have been discussed in the past few episode threads. Certainly a lot of possibilities I brought up were shown to be wrong in this episode which is fine with me.
LOTS of fanservice.
Apparently Shirley is all ready to confess to Lelouch all over again lets hope this time he doesn't kill her mom.
I really don't care for the Knight of three and whatever number if any the girl is they are just not great characters overall.
Confirmation no Geass for Suzaku was very welcome.
I was all ready to bring up that Suzaku mentioned that the pen Arthur took as "Arthur that's Euphie's" Stating it in the present tense instead of saying that was Euphie's in the past tense. Then we got to the end and he mentioned how he lost a girl and a friend and well its safe to say he fully believes Euphie is dead and that was just bad editing.
Overall another solid episode and Suzaku is definitely a bastard for allowing Nannaly to be used like that if not for the sake of Lelouch because he knows how much she trusts him.
Here is my take of difference between Lelouch and Suzaku.
Lelouch know what he is doing is wrong, when he needs to sacrifice innocent lives.
Suzaku thinks he is doing is right because he was ordered to do so, when he is ordered to sacrifice innocent lives. Suzaku never thinks back on what he has done.
If Suzaku would govern Japan; anyone speaking their mind would be shot on site. He shot his father because he had different believes, what do you think will happen if someone doesn't share he believes. And Suzaku already is Emperor's personal puppet.
Sucks for Nanully. What can a blind, paralyzed leader can do for a country? She only there to get Lelouch mad and make mistake and then get killed. All decisions concerning Area 11 will be made by officials, Suzaku will probably lend a hand, and all Nanully will do is listen how Zero kills people.
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I hope after this incident Lelouch learns the benefit of exercising an hour everyday. His dashing good looks and wicked demeanor will only carry him so far.
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