Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2

[David75]

Wait Schniezel's a bad guy!?!?! HE wants to kill half the world?!?!? I NEVER SAW THIS COMING!

Anyway, I'm not liking the direction this final battle is taking. It basically boils down to which side has more named characters piloting giant robots. Think about it, every time Schneizel started to gain ground it was because he sent named characters to fight unnamed characters. Since Lelouch only has two named characters to Schniezles six (GJ OotBK attack the guy who gave you everything you have withthe stuff that he gave you, you have 0 honor). Lelouch has no realistic chance because nameed characters >>> Strategy. So now we're going to get some sort of insane conclusion where Nina creates a Neutron Jammer and Damocles just randomly falls out of the sky. But at least it sets things up for R3 where someone will create a Neutron Jammer canceler and plunge the wrold back into war once again.

P.S. Schneizel = Gilbert Durandal - Patience

Wait, Lelouch has C.C. and C.C.>>> named characters
Plus this named characters can change sides again... they are retards for not seeing/understanding Fleija's meaning.

Nunally is the badest of all... in fact she didn't care for Lelouch...
"You're lying to protect me, so I hate you. However Schneizel nii-san kills millions of people, I like him better than you now."
"Please nii-san, let me mass-kill people, I want the super button, please nii-san"
Yup, I'm pretty sure Nunally is a demon in disguise.
Everyone thinks the mask title for that ep is meant for Schneizel, but to me it's for Nunally...

[RyougaZell]

I thought I couldn't dislike someone more than Suzaku. Ogi wins the place now. Seriously... all because he decided to fuck a Britannian.

Interesting to see Xingke following Scheneizel when its obvious he doesn't care if Tianzi survives.

Cornelia can't die that easily. I see her doing a broadcast, aided by Diethard since he only cares about causing disturbances, to announce to the world Schneizels plans...

Nunnally is a retard.

According to the preview Kallen is about to kill Lelouch, but I don't think she will be able to, and not because Suzaku or CC interfere, but because her heart won't allow her to do so.

EDIT:

Well... Kallen is indeed crying.
30 Second Preview for Ep 24

[Kraco]

I think you, Yuki, either shifted to some pessimism gear or are/were expecting way too much. Even putting that aside, I think it's at this point hasty to judge the ending or what leads to it. This show has been able to surprise a few times.

I had no problems with this episode, nor how the battle proceeded. There are two reasons for this: Lelouch has made an active attempt to alienate the world, including his old friends, from himself, and secondly it didn't look from the beginning like he had really planned to win this battle with better troops (which is naturally connected to the first point as well). Most of his plans have relied on surprises and gambles anyway, so there's no reason to assume otherwise. Maybe Schneizel is the opposite in that regard, relying on very reliable uber warheads and gathering on his side everybody Lelouch failed to play out of the game.

Many people should still die before the end. I wonder who they are. If this was even a bit more traditional show you'd think Viletta would remain and Ohgi die but who knows... Maybe Viletta will die and that will drive Ohgi crazy.

[masamuneehs]

What she can't be dead, she's got to come back!

2pac says 'Ratta tat tat tat tat! That's the way it is!

Schneizel went all evil the second he got a big, super powered mobile fortress! SHOCK!

Super strong female warrior side character pulling a last minute "I'm gonna fight for the guy I love, even if he's a jerk with a sister complex!" ???

Nina getting lots of screen time... and part in a 'building' montage? Is that some surreeohs h@xx I smellz cookin' ?

Kanon = Rei lite?

Lelouch laying a completely ridiculous natural disaster based trap to pull himself out of a jam?

"Somethings will never change"

Especially when it's Sunrise who've been riding the same tired formula in their mecha titles for awhile now. I've got a really bad feeling about season 2 of Gundam 00...

And now, Yuki, first off, it's insane to say "the Black Knights have no honor! How dare they fight against the guy who manipulated them for his own purposes and would have gladly thrown away the entire country they'd built just to save his cripple sister!"

Second, it doesn't matter how many named characters Schneizel has. Lelouch has Suzaku Zala Yamato, who is like Amuro Ray on HGH steroids injected into his eyeballs. (by the way, Suzaku was pretty boss in this episode, wasn't he?). Plus, CC in a mech always kicks ass, even though it's pretty inconceivable that she'd have ever learned how to pilot one...

oh, and i liked the episode. probably because it was just trying to build up this final battle and not just stumbling blindly toward a Geass standard 'wtf plot twist' episode ending. also, big fleet battles are awesome. until you remember that all that matters is which named characters win/lost to other named characters. Legend of the Galactic Heroes this ain't.

[Kraco]

Legend of the Galactic Heroes this ain't.

I might be very tempted to choose named characters over the heavily scripted battles of LOGH any day. At least in Geass there's always the chance a named character could die or switch sides, but in the LOGH format when the story dictated one side has to win, the other side would suddenly become idiotic and lose by default. Plus in Code Geass we have those unbelievable surprises coming out of nowhere.

[animus]

What was the point of keeping Cornelia alive, if they killed her off in the dumbest way possible. Should've just been done with her during the first FLEIA was shot. Something makes me think she might still be alive, but it was so random and rushed that she might actually really be dead after all. I'd think the pink Lancelot would be for her though, but I guess it's not.

[enkoujin]

What was the point of keeping Cornelia alive, if they killed her off in the dumbest way possible. Should've just been done with her during the first FLEIA was shot. Something makes me think she might still be alive, but it was so random and rushed that she might actually really be dead after all. I'd think the pink Lancelot would be for her though, but I guess it's not.

She was used to question Schneizel's modus operandi so we can learn and find out his philosophies and what he tends to do that makes him an antagonist to Lelouch.

[MFauli]

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[animus]

Because we clearly needed her to do that for us, without figuring out a few episodes earlier right?

[Idealistic]

She is not dead. She will be the reason Lelouch wins! Surprise attack! lol@machine gun turrets hidden in the walls activated by finger snaps. Funny how it shot Cornelia from behind, but it didn't hit Schneizal.

Although this show took a turn for the worse the past few episodes.... I wouldn't say it's THAT bad. But I'm not liking it THAT much either. It certainly is not R1 for sure. Unless the ending is a OMGWTF awesomeness type of thing.

[Ryllharu]

She is not dead. She will be the reason Lelouch wins! Surprise attack! lol@machine gun turrets hidden in the walls activated by finger snaps. Funny how it shot Cornelia from behind, but it didn't hit Schneizal.

You know, this brought me to a similar solution, but with a different person. Diethard. All we've ever seen him do is run around from side to side (and recruit Sayoko). I find it strange that he suddenly has a change of heart and wants to follow someone who would rule by fear rather than manipulation. While Lelouch's subjects may not be willing, at least they think that they are. If they become happier people for it, who are we to argue? It's exactly what happened to Viletta. She finally realized it recently too, and I suppose the pregnancy is the surest example of that.

But Diethard chose someone who would paralyze his subjects through fear of death. Diethard claimed early in season 1 that the reason he followed Zero was because he believed it was someone who would revolutionize how the world functioned, and he wanted to be there. Schniezel is no different from his father and V.V. (not Charles' secret goal we only learned of now, but the words he always told people in speeches). Nothing changes with that. Once the war is said and done, the world is back to the same state it always was, paralyzed through fear of Britannia.

Diethard has seen Zero change the structure of the world. He's seen Lelouch change Britannia completely. Perhaps he just moves to wherever he thinks the greatest upheaval will be. Still, I wonder if this is the occasion that Diethard will finally choose to act, rather than run.

I could see Schniezel about to declare victory over Lelouch, only to be shot in the back by Diethard.

[darkmetal505]

I like how Lelouch and Schniezel were playing chess with real armies. Standard play from both brothers and then they're decide to cheat.

Lelouch: Pawn to E4!
Schnizel: Pawn to F6!
Lelouch: Bishop to C4!
Schnizel: *fuck it, imma cheat with hax* Activate level 5 ultra armour!
Lelouch: *heh, I planted mines under his front lines*
Schnizel: *trump card time* "Nuclear launch detected"
Lelouch: *hope my Nina armory upgrades are finished* "At least I have C.C with my new pink battlecruiser."

Cornelia: "I'm back bitchez. If a Britannian princess can survive a nuke, why can't I survive a magically appearing machine gun."

But I'm seriously sad that Cornelia is gone.

[shinta|hikari]

Actually, Suzaku was hardly Kira in this episode. Kallen is just as powerful, and she is on the other side. Lelouch is obviously losing, and as usual, he decided to gamble his way to victory (this time using Nina). Lelouch was never a "Light" who tries to plan for every conceivable scenario and making baseless predictions that always turn out correct. Like in chess, you can only plan ahead so much, that is why he makes use of factors supposedly not included in the game to beat a superior enemy (geass, all the battlefiled hax he uses).

Nunnally is such an idiot. So she believes a long lost brother who she basically knows nothing about over her brother who has taken care of her for the majority of his life. Then she confirms her stupid ass resolve by believing an obvious lie told by a brother who she just declares to be a chronic liar. Is it not insane how she can just deny everything that Lelouch has done for her before which obviously contradicts what his final statement to her says? Still, she is hardly evil. She is just stupid.

[Carnage]

I did NOT see any of this coming. Code Gayass doesn't fail to please!

[RyougaZell]

Diethard has always been a man who works behind someone else, because he wants to see what will come from their actions. I really do not see him as someone who will actively act against Schneizel.

But I do agree... this time seems the perfect time for he to act. But like I said on my previous post, I believe he will aid Cornelia into informing the world of Schneizels true intentions.

Sure... Lelouch was to be a dictator... but Schenizel wants them all dead. The choice isn't hard of who you want to support... at least until you backstab again.

[Board of Command]

The real Cornelia obviously escaped on a decoy ship.

[MFauli]

Awsome, awsome episode.
THAT was the old "Code Geass", that was the old Lelouch.
I absolutely love when he and Schneizel moved their units around as if it was a chess game. It had been these kind of battle strategies that made season 1 awsome, and it seems that at least the last couple of episodes are showing the former glory.

Nothing to criticze...oh, maybe the fact that Schneizel didnt fire Freia directly at Lelouch just because of hostages. "The battle for the world", what do some hostages matter, even if it´s someone popular? That was a make-up reason of the show creators, but oh well, i´ll give you that one.

[xtallography]

If Cornelia actually died from that I would extremely surprised. Heck, at this point I'm waiting for them to bring Euphie back in some sort of zombie attack plan.

It also seems slightly ridiculous that Nunnaloser would stop believing in the person that protected her for all of those years and instantly start believing the Schniez. To be honest I'm just kinda waiting for this season to wrap itself up.

[masamuneehs]

i still can't believe how many people are clinging to the idea that Cornelia is alive. She's a minor character who has been used throughout R2 mostly as discoverer of plot points. There's only two episodes left, and if the best this show can do is reviving a recently killed minor character to deliver a sudden twist, that really is pretty sad.

at first I was inclined to think that Diethard had switched sides for good, and that he will be with Schneizel to the very end. First, as much as I love the guy, he's a minor character, and as we get down to the final episodes it becomes less likely that minor characters do anything but die and wrap up their storylines or get some bit scenes and take part in the post-climax wind-down.

But after I read some of these posts, I think about that scene where Lelouch calls Schneizel, and how they make a point to show him looking down at Diethard, and then a quick shot of him. I could be reading too much into it, but it almost had the feel of a "Oh, you're still there? Good." secret glance...

Kraco, I have never before felt such opposition to your words. Not only did you use most of your post to bash another show, but from what you wrote, it seems pretty clear that you never got that far into it, because the things you wrote are, quite simply, not true.

And I agree with everyone else now that a decent quality sub is out that I can catch some more of the dialouge with: what they're doing with Nunnally basically makes no sense. They basically transformed her, overnight, from a sweet, ideal wielding Euphie to a young, crippled Charles (but replace VV with Schneizel who, ironically, lies even more).

[shinta|hikari]

Well, one month of brainwashing makes it feasible, if the subject is a blind little girl who was blatantly lied to by two of her most trusted companions for her entire life (at least this is what she believes after discovering the lies even before meeting up with Schneizel). This does not make her less stupid though.

It seems that there is more to that glance than it seems. Maybe Diethard has been geassed to fulfill a certain command from way before. I don't think Lelouch would let someone as wily as him hang around without any form of insurance.