Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2

[Buffalobiian]

I thought this episode was good in it's own ways.

One thing that struck me when I watched this ep (around 5mins ago), then read these comments, is regarding Orange-kun's call.

All we saw was Jeremiah call Guilford.

Most people suspected Orange's betrayal, from just that one scene. Yet we've seen just how true Lord Jeremiah's loyalty to Britannia was.
He regretted his impotence in protecting Marianne. He would die to know someone still fights for Marianne. He would respect someone for their loyalty regardless of how they mutilated his body.
In this episode, he'd rather hand Cornelia over than simply "let her go", even though she too is of loyalty. That's Jeremiah.

Knowing that, and seeing Guildford's dumbstruck face in the parade afterwards (15:05) makes me think otherwise:

Jeremiah is trying to recruit the Glaston Knights.




Edit: regarding Viletta, it looked like she could have taken a direct hit on those rocks last ep.
And about Anya's memories, the writers introduced an interesting nutcase full of mysteries this season, and they've also provided the key that is the Geass Canceler.

[staffcc]

I agree with everything you said about Nina. I didn't like Euphie, but using her name like that os just low... Its too bad Nunnally is not there to expose her table-screwing hobby and shame her forever... Well, after seeing her expose her insanity and ugly crazy face from time to time, I guess having a table fetish is not such a big deal...

[Buffalobiian]

I agree with everything you said about Nina. I didn't like Euphie, but using her name like that os just low... Its too bad Nunnally is not there to expose her table-screwing hobby and shame her forever... Well, after seeing her expose her insanity and ugly crazy face from time to time, I guess having a table fetish is not such a big deal...

.....wait, THAT"S what the table was for.....

[KrayZ33]

I just rewatched the episode and I wondered why Lelouch's Geass has no effect on C.C.

Is she still immortal and a geass master?

we know now that Lelouch isn't immortal because he still has his geass... so the only thing that changed is that C.C. has lost her memories?
Just wanted to respeak this point, because it was one of the questions we (or probably just me?) had in the last episode.

and does C.C. has a new VA now? If not, then she does a great job.. for me C.C. sounds totally different now... I like the new sound of her voice more than the old one

[Buffalobiian]

I just rewatched the episode and I wondered why Lelouch's Geass has no effect on C.C.

Is she still immortal and a geass master?

we know now that Lelouch isn't immortal because he still has his geass... so the only thing that changed is that C.C. has lost her memories?
Just wanted to respeak this point, because it was one of the questions we (or probably just me?) had in the last episode.

It slipped my mind, but yes, that very question crossed my mind too. It's not very CodeGeass-like to leave plot holes wide open. Has it ever been established whether Geass simply do not work on the one who gave it to you, or to all Immortals in general? We've never seen a match between C.C.- Rolo, nor V.V. - Lelouch. If all immortals are indeed immune to any Geass, we could attribute that to certain bodily changes that occur when they acquired immortality. Becoming a mortal may not completely reverse the change.

[NeoCybercoin]

It slipped my mind, but yes, that very question crossed my mind too. It's not very CodeGeass-like to leave plot holes wide open.

Well I don't recall him giving her an order besides STOP when she wanted to take of her clothes. And then he said that before looking her in the eye =\

Oh and I love Suzaku's face on this one

[RyougaZell]

It slipped my mind, but yes, that very question crossed my mind too. It's not very CodeGeass-like to leave plot holes wide open. Has it ever been established whether Geass simply do not work on the one who gave it to you, or to all Immortals in general? We've never seen a match between C.C.- Rolo, nor V.V. - Lelouch. If all immortals are indeed immune to any Geass, we could attribute that to certain bodily changes that occur when they acquired immortality. Becoming a mortal may not completely reverse the change.

Wasn't Charles already immortal when Lelouch geassed him to kill himself?

I mean... he was, because he survided... duh...

So my guess is that Rollo could well use his Geass to stop CC... or Lelouch could have made VV do something. Dunno. Like order him to stay underwater forever... how will an immortal react to that? (this one of VV of course before giving his immortality to Charles)

[Ryllharu]

and does C.C. has a new VA now? If not, then she does a great job.. for me C.C. sounds totally different now... I like the new sound of her voice more than the old one

Nope. Still totally Yukana.

She's just using the calm version of her Tessa voice instead of her C.C. one. With a bit less of the cutesy tones Tessa has. Yukana has a lot of range. Not as much as Kaori Nazuka (Nunnally) or Saeko Chiba (Nina), and nowhere near Satomi Arai (Sayoko), but it is very notable.

(The other three have characters in other series you would never guess were voiced by the same person.)

[KrayZ33]

well but the geassed target normally gets the "red eyes".
take the scene where he tested his geass with the teacher.

he called the teachers name who looked into his eyes then and became influenced by it. and _after_ that he gave the order, if I remember it correctly

I'm pretty sure she is still immune against geasses.

why should she become back to normal, when Lelouch still has his geass and he did not take her code because it would be visible on his forehead then... well ok his hair is probably hiding it.. but it would be strange if he has the code and the geass.

I bet everything that happened is the destruction of the cyberworld they were fighting last episode, which caused the amnesia

[Buffalobiian]

I bet everything that happened is the destruction of the cyberworld they were fighting last episode, which caused the amnesia

I believe that too, but that then leads us to another question. Why was it only C.C's memories that were erased, if say it had nothing to do with semi-removing her code? Both Charles and Lelouch were there too, and neither lose their memories. If you thought it's 'cause C.C. was immortal, well so was Charles.

[shinta|hikari]

True. The logical conclusion would be to point at the incomplete ritual as the cause.

C.C. still seems to be immune to geass, but maybe that's because the ritual was not completed as well. She is definitely not immortal though, since the cut on her finger bled like crazy and did not seem to heal up.

[staffcc]

But we don't really see if it the wound closed or not, since the blood was covering it, so it's not sure...

[KrayZ33]

C.C. still seems to be immune to geass, but maybe that's because the ritual was not completed as well. She is definitely not immortal though, since the cut on her finger bled like crazy and did not seem to heal up.

true(!), now I understand why Lelouch was so concerned about C.C. just because she bleed a "little", I think he knows that she isn't immortal anymore... and that is the reason why they showed us that C.C. got a band-aid on her finger.. because it didn't heal automatically like all her wounds before

my bad for missing that. but it makes perfect sense now

then its all the more confusing why Lelouch still has the geass etc... well, but as you said, its probably because of the ritual which was not done correctly

[staffcc]

It didn't work. The emperor just pretended to be affected, which is why Lelouch failed when he tried again and again after that.

That means all immortals in the show are immune to all forms of geass.

[RyougaZell]

It didn't work. The emperor just pretended to be affected, which is why Lelouch failed when he tried again and again after that.

That means all immortals in the show are immune to all forms of geass.

He did not pretend. He did get the characteristic red eyes of a Geass'ed person.

[animus]

He did not pretend. He did get the characteristic red eyes of a Geass'ed person.

He actually didn't. In episode 15 around the 4 minute range, all you see is the red lasers enter Charles' eyes but you never see them outlined which is characteristic of Geass'd people. So it was pretty clear he was pretending.

[staffcc]

I checked the episode again just to be sure, but he did not have the red ring on his eyes. In fact, the scene never showed his face close enough to confirm that he was geassed. The red geass light reflected from the mirrors just flew into his eyes, but it was never shown whether it worked or not. The emperor just shouted in reaction, like he got hit, but all of that may be acting.

In another episode, somewhere in season 1 with C.C. during the Mao arc, it was shown that the light will still fly into the target's eyes even if it is immune, but there will be no effect.

[David75]

Do not forget that when Lelouch geass'd Charles, they were in another world, possibly one created by Charles mind through some thought amplifier.
So basically the rules there are manipulated by those who understand how to manipulate the correct thoughts.
Charles let Lelouch use what he thought to be his geass on him and played with him. But this was only some mind/dream experience

[Buffalobiian]

I checked the episode again just to be sure, but he did not have the red ring on his eyes. In fact, the scene never showed his face close enough to confirm that he was geassed. The red geass light reflected from the mirrors just flew into his eyes, but it was never shown whether it worked or not. The emperor just shouted in reaction, like he got hit, but all of that may be acting.

In another episode, somewhere in season 1 with C.C. during the Mao arc, it was shown that the light will still fly into the target's eyes even if it is immune, but there will be no effect.

It's true that as of now, I don't think we can conclusively gather whether Charles was acting or not. Like we've discussed, we didn't get close enough to see the red ring, nor did we see the synaptic change in the brain, either of which are able to confirm our suspicions.
We know that once the person carries out Lelouch's order, they're free from it's effects. Problem is now, if Charles was indeed affected, did he complete the order, which was "DIE!"?

[shinta|hikari]

Yukana's always done a great job in voicing C.C. This is just an extension of that. I like both, but I still prefer the haughty, arrogant, and extremely sexy voice from before.

I used to think that Kallen was not voiced as well, until I saw spice and wolf, where Ami Koshimizu arguably exceeds Yukana's performance in Code Geass. Maybe it's just because Kallen has a very straightforward manner of speech, even with her two personalities.