http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/15...-file-sharers/
What does this mean for uploads and distribution of RAWs?
http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/15...-file-sharers/
What does this mean for uploads and distribution of RAWs?
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What the hell, I don't watch that many animes but my mangas, movies and all that other good Japanese stuff what would I do. They can't possibly be serious. Wow I would have never thought that a country like Japan only has four ISPs, hell the tiny little island I was born on has 3.
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I saw this news on TV a few days ago. This is going to hit hard, particularly on the P2P users, in Japan or otherwise.
But, are raws illegal to begin with? The episodes were broadcasted over TV, and as long as the distributors are not getting any profit from the shows, I'm not sure if they are really violating Japanese copyright laws.
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Well I know some scanlation groups get their Raws from China and California. Might be a big deal for non-mainstream manga though...I guess....
File sharers...
I understand they can control bitorrent or edonkey or any open P2P protocol.
But then encrypted ones are coming. Of course their behaviour patterns can always be tracked, but I wonder if you can block someone based on this.
And then it's always possible to send files to servers via single upload.
if it's encrypted... they can only rely on quantity of data... but then it' very unlikely they can do anything about it.
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I can't dl media where I live and work, so last time I was in Japan, I dl'd several GB of J-dramas at the hotels I stayed at that had highspeed. I guess those days are overOriginally Posted by Psyke
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Good point, but just with like sporting events broadcast on TV, they probably have the disclaimer that the footage is not allowed to be reproduced or rebroadcast without the express written consent of the owner. At least that's how they stifle us in the states.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
The media is copyrighted to the copyright holder. They can do what they want with it, so if the TV station holds it and wants to broadcast it, they can. We're allowed to watch it, but it's actually illegal to record any of it. That's right. The practice of setting the VCR to record a program while you watch something else is a violation of the law. But no one bothers arresting you for it, that's all.
I've already seen in the ANN news a few times that anime uploaders are going to jail for uploading a few episodes of Sailor Moon and what not. And I'm sure all those pro dub activists would cry at joy at this news while shoving a 10 episode "Gurinn Login" DVD in our faces for the low price of $24.99.
But assuming this new protocol thing is -effective-, what does that mean for those of us who don't want to wait 2+ years to buy anime that might never be licensed? It will be a sad, sad day for US anime torrenters if these new lawls, I mean laws work more than we hope.
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People will find a way around this sort of restriction. The only hurdle to evading detection is sheer bandwidth usage. Besides streaming media, what else besides downloading illegal content takes up so much bandwidth? It makes it easy for ISPs to narrow down who to target.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
This will have repercussions, but it's not really as bad as you think. As Sapphire said, the "anti-fansub" activists were already cheering happily that they get to wait 2 years to buy anime at $35 for 4 episodes, but most of them really don't have any idea what channels most groups use to get their raws (manga or otherwise).
Most raws are snagged from Winny, the p2p program the Japanese police have yet to crack the file sharing encryption on. The forum feature however, is trackable, but that should not be an issue for most raw grabbers that use Winny. (source: wiki)
The other method by which most raw grabbers (particularly manga scanners) obtain the material to work off of is by far more secure means. Many fansub groups have a member who records the raws off cable with a video capture card in their PC, and then they upload it over considerably more secure channels, like the group's ftp or through some other method.
Manga scanners on the other hand, usually purchase the magazines or tankoubon and have them shipped abroad, where they are scanned and edited.
At worst, we may see some of the older series torrents foiled by this legislation, or some of the trashsub groups die off as they are unable to obtain their own raws by using a program in a language other than their own.
@Sapphire: I would not call them "pro dub" because that unfairly lumps those who really don't have any issue with dubs (like myself for several choice series). More specifically, the faction on ANN you are referring to is more of an elitist anti-fansub group over a "pro dub" grouping.
I'm more concerned about the loss of J-dramas and Japanese media like music performances and variety shows. I think the people who distribute these types of media aren't as sophisticated as the anime or manga groups, so they will be the first to suffer from the crackdown.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
@ Ryllharu: Sorry, I specifically meant the people who believe that the anime industry is dying because a lot of people in the US who prefer to watch something over Youtube or download it. (Maybe I should have said extremist rather than activists) There's this excruciatingly long post on some other forum of people who pretty much say if you download anime rather than buying it, you're helping kill the anime industry in both US and Japan. (Which I believe is completely wrong btw) I don't know if they are on ANN or not. XD
I don't have a problem with dubs myself. as long as they are skillfully made and nothing is edited out and they still manage to capture the intended tone of the original series.
"Leaving hell is not the same as entering it." - Tierce Japhrimel
The bigger question is, what will happen to gotwoot forums if people can't get fansubbed anime anymore?
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Well, we all doubt this will happen, but:
We'll all be forced to get.... OMG LIVES? Noooooo!!!@^@one!@@eleven!
I think I would last awhile slowly watching everything that's already been subbed..
"Leaving hell is not the same as entering it." - Tierce Japhrimel
regarding raws, it's always possible to capture them live, outside japan borders...
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How's that? The overwhelming majority of anime airs late night, on cable channels (often premium ones at that), subject to Japanese laws and copyrights.
Broadcast anime is mainly Doremon, Crayon Shin-chan, and a few sparse others.
Damn, this is all happening right when R2 is about to air. I wonder if they can warn you for simply being "suspicious of distributing illegal content." It's not like they can take out a warrant and scan your computer for using large amounts of encrypted bandwidth. They mentioned "special detection software." Is it true Canadian ISPs can crack encrypted torrent traffic? If that's the case, I don't see why the technology's been limited to Canada.
I don't want to think about it.This place has become an alternate society for many of us. Losing it is like losing a circle of friends. We'd lose more than just fansubbed anime.
Downloading any video of music for personal use is entirely legal here, please dont generalize.
what the hell? i have to give up on anime? around 90% of the animes i watch will never come to germany lol.. and the other 10% only 3 years later...
if this is true, then i m going to be veeeery sad
Where abouts it that? So, like downloading CDs and stuff rather than buying it is perfectly legal?
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