I'm just glad this shitty fight is over. how convinent for kishi to bring up another injure card for sasuke's win. This way he saved his ass from both sasuke and itachi fans.
Not only did sasuke managed to get rid of oro and curse seal powers negitive effects easily, he also pertty much walk out of this fight without any scratch. let me rephrase that, "Not a single injury".
I'm glad we are back to naruto again. Looks like he is using KB effectivly. Now wut can shino really do?
It looked like Sasuke smiled. I hope Sasuke doesn't gain MS from that. The backstory of the MS has been a lot of bs that doesn't make sense at the moment.Originally Posted by Niner4959
Seriously. People going up against Itachi should NOT be the same afterwards. I'm actually pretty glad that there's an injuered card in play. I'm not a fanboy of either of them, I just like things to make sense. Hopefully those injuries can "explain" why his unvoidable MS techniques were so damned avoidable.
OK, he may or may not be rid of Oro, that remains to be seen. But what ever gave you the impression that he no longer suffers negative effects from the cursed seal? I don't believe anything along those lines was ever mentioned or insinuated.
Well true the effects aren't gone but just like with Itachi's unavoidable attacks he has surreptitiously managed to avoid them
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This chapter is good for one reason, we get to see shino! And we get to see another fight not involving to two most boring characters in the manga. I mean come on one brother seems to have no limit in power and the other seems to be able to beat anyone in the manga. And whats sad is in that last statement you're probably not sure how to distinguish which one im talking about because both of them fit those descriptions. Anyway itachi probably said something about how he finally killed his "best friend" and just earned MS. Or something equally as dumb like u need to be a pure uchiha to gain it and now he is free from being a snake. Either way im eager to see this fight and suigetsu's fight which i hope they dont try to skip out of. btw.....
wtf oro's powers got ripped out of sasuke!!!! what other ways do they have to say it! do we really have to wait for a chapter that blatently shows and tells that the cursed seal is gone just like we did for the MS effects. wtf the stupid cursed seal has been gone for two chapters now. its not on his body at all! just look then read whats in the manga for a change.
well so far through out his fights I have not seen any side effects of curse seal on his body. In this fight, he used every bit of power he had left including curse seal hence him passing out at the end of this chapter. If the curse seal is still there, then I don't know wut kind of fight must sasuke get into inorder for the effects to show up. If you think I'm wrong which by all means I'm not denying, can you elaborate on why do you think its still there?
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Didn't he lose his other wing?? I can't remember...
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you call that a major injury? was that a major part of his body? did that lost effect him, as to not being able to fight back? hmmmmmmm I can't remember.......
I guess I had to spell it out for you. Wut I was trying to say was, an injury which he can't recover from, say I don't know lose an eye? a hand? leg?
Oh if the curse seal is still there, instead of weird hand wing he gets a snake wing, now which one is cooler?
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Hmmm when did they ever say Tsukuyomi was 100% gonna hit no matter what? If i remember correctly deidara trained his eyes to fight gengutsu from sharingan because he wanted to fight itachi again. He was able to train his eye because he was placed in the genjutsu before, and he was quite affective against sasuke because of this.
Now if deidara could do it why can't sasuke who uses sharingan also. I would think sharingan would make him better at gaining a resistance over Tsukuyomi thru training and latent resistance from the ability to begin with just for haveing Sharingan. If he knew what was coming of course he would be able to train against it.
Second when did sasuke really avoide amaterasu? He was hit with it and lost his other wing, he did a replacement jutsu ala orochimaru to seperate the part being burned and left it behind. How many times have we seen oro do that, like when he was effected by naruto's poison from 4tails mode?
so many of you have also decided to forget that itachi was pretty much blind. When ever we see his first person view it is distorted, his eyes are bleeding for god sakes. I think most of the arguements for this fight have had little merit and are more complaining just for the sake of doing so. We also still dont know what he said to sasuke while hitting his forehead there is most likely some other motive behind all this we haven't seen.
We should also think about why itachi met with naruto before meeting with sasuke. If his motive fromt he start were for sasukes eyes whats the point in conversing with naruto about sasuke and why he goes after him. There is more meaning in all this.
Well I don't think Deidara was ever hit with Tsukiyomi because Itachi never used MS on him what Deidara trained his eyes against was normal Sharingan genjutsu, which is why when Sasuke used it on him he said he was prepared for it because he had experienced it before. Oh and despite all of that Deidara still fell for the genjutsu.
Other than that I agree with you but I think they can complain if the want to because overall the entire battle was anticlimactic, the most exciting part of the battle was right in the very beginning and even that was just genjutsu. In his battle against Deidara and most certainly in this battle Sasuke rather than actually winning a battle Sasuke's opponents defaulted. One went kamikaze and the other just literally fell on his back.
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The problem about that MS genjutsu isn't that it's unavoidable, it's that once it hits, there ought to be no way to break it. It's a technique that lasts one second, real time. While Itachi did say that one with a Sharingan (I think he specifically said the MS also) could break it, we have 2 problems: 1) Sasuke doesn't have MS, and 2) Even if he did, how do you break a technique that connected and only lasts one second?
Well, I guess I am complaining for the sake of complaining, sort of. They did leave enough unexplained stuff that might get explained later, including an allusion to something having happened to Itachi that has nothing to do with the supposed effects of his MS. I'm just not a fan of the hard on the manga writer has for Sasuke when he creates a completely unbelievable main character, and undervelops so many other interesting side characters. I don't hate Sasuke, I hate that he's the favorite child at the cost of neglecting all the other kiddies. It makes for a BAD story. I also would like to know why Itachi bothered trying to talk to Naruto about Sasuke.
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I think the Tsukuyomi is avoidable dependant on how fast the User performing it can move his eyes. Itachi said, it detroys everything with in my eye sight. We all know the hand is quicker than the eye and with Sasuke naturally being super fast anyway it makes sense that he could barely just dodge the attack. Just my theory though.
Do you think Itachi's injury was due to him being stabbed earlier in the fight when he was sitting down in the chair? I know it ended up bieng a clone and all but genjutsu's usually effect the opponant it's used from. Kakashi ending up puking blood after the stab fest genjutsu Itachi put on him. Perhaps it's like the old dream thing saying where if you die in your dream, you die in real life. Perhaps if you're injured in a MS genjutsu it effects you in real life afterwards. Itachi did look somewhat surprised when being stabbed.
I don't care who I have to fight!
If he rips my arms off, I'll kick him to death!
If he rips my legs off, I'll bite him to death!
If he rips my head off, I'll stare him to death!
And if he gouges out my eyes, I'll curse him from beyond the grave!
The hand is quicker than the eye maybe true but it doesn't apply when that eye is the sharingan. Thats not important anyway the very fact that Sasuke broke out of it so easily was my problem.
No because if when using genjutsu he would receive damage from the attacks he received during the genjutsu then using genjutsu itself would be quite pointless. Besides I don't remember Kakashi actually suffering any physical damage from the Tsukiyomi and I don't remember him coughing up blood either. The effects of the tsukiyomi were completely mental and when Kakashi got out he was just completely exhausted since he did feel the pain from all those attacks.Do you think Itachi's injury was due to him being stabbed earlier in the fight when he was sitting down in the chair? I know it ended up bieng a clone and all but genjutsu's usually effect the opponant it's used from. Kakashi ending up puking blood after the stab fest genjutsu Itachi put on him. Perhaps it's like the old dream thing saying where if you die in your dream, you die in real life. Perhaps if you're injured in a MS genjutsu it effects you in real life afterwards. Itachi did look somewhat surprised when being stabbed.
Anyway those are just my theories since we really don't know how genjutsu itself works and I don't think being able to inflict physical damage during genjutsu would be implausible especially Tsukiyomi which is supposed to be the most powerful and Deidara did say the technique Kakashi used on him was genjutsu but I don't think the effects would apply to the user as well, although itachi was trapped in Sasuke's genjutsu but I doubt Sasuke is capable of something like that.
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Sasuke dodging the attack as a counter to the Tsukuyomi, I'd say that's plausible. The only problem is that, he didn't dodge it. It connected as far as I could tell. Since Tsukyomi was defeated and Sasuke didn't dodge it, he broke it, and we have no explanatio for that.
As far as there being potential physical damage on the victims of genjutsu, Abdula pretty much covered it. As of right now, we have no evidence that it impacts anything other than your neurons. For the sake of overanalysis: genjutsu has to impact your neurons to fool your senses. I also remember it being said that genjutsu works by controlling the flow of chakra inside the target. So it could also effect the chakra circulatory system. But as far as getting stabbed in the chest within a genjutsu, and having that wound remain when the genjutsu's over, I don't think that's possible. Might have some nerve damage though.
Last edited by Uchiha Barles; Mon, 03-24-2008 at 05:49 PM.
just cause we can fool our eyes with our hand's speed (eye can see 30 fps so you can fool it by moving your hand fast in front of your eyes) doesn't mean sharingan is normal eye.
it's kind of it's features that it can see things "faster" and allows to predict movements, sharingan > speed of body in 99% cases (it was explained when sasuke got owned by lee the first time they met, it was also shown in sasuke v naruto when sasuke got 3rd dot).
I don't really see how could sasuke "dodge" tsukuyomi by moving his body... he dodged eye contact? dodged his own look at the thing that caused tsukuyomi?
ridiculous and simply untrue...
Again, we don't the mechanism by which Tsukuyomi works. Is it constantly activated as long as the MS is activated, so that even a glance at the eyes at any time traps you? Or does Itachi have to choose when to activate it? When he does activate it (assuming he has to), how long does it stay active? While it's active, how long does the user need to peer into his eyes for it to work? 2 seconds? 1 second? .5 seconds? Can you avoid the technique just by darting your eyes around so that you get no more than a passing glance at the eyes?just cause we can fool our eyes with our hand's speed (eye can see 30 fps so you can fool it by moving your hand fast in front of your eyes) doesn't mean sharingan is normal eye.
it's kind of it's features that it can see things "faster" and allows to predict movements, sharingan > speed of body in 99% cases (it was explained when sasuke got owned by lee the first time they met, it was also shown in sasuke v naruto when sasuke got 3rd dot).
I don't really see how could sasuke "dodge" tsukuyomi by moving his body... he dodged eye contact? dodged his own look at the thing that caused tsukuyomi?
ridiculous and simply untrue...
Avoiding tsukyomi is not absurd, we just don't know how it would be done other than not looking at the eyes at all, because we don't know how it works. If we did, we'd figure out possible ways around it. And it's not like it matters anyway, Sasuke did not avoid it.
Anyone know what the snake burning does mean?
Or any ideas at all, cuz I have none. Myths? Legends? Symbolic gesture?
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crapping up...
hold them closely
never let go, never let go... <3
I would think since the entire area is surrounded by Amaterasu flames, the burning snake is conclusive proof that Orochimaru (his soul, not his genetic material) is dead. But I dont think Kishi would kill him off in such a vague way. There's a good chance another loophole will occur for Oro to return if not for the last time.
How on earth is being impaled by a sword and stating that the sword seals the person FOREVER vague?
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