You really are a persistent bastard aren't you.. Naruto without Kyuubi is nothing, his whole fighting style is based on the Kyuubi replenishing his chakra supply without it he is nothing. Even the pathetic performance he had against Kiba was only because the Kyuubi was healing his wounds and Kiba's attacks couldn't cause enough damage to negate that.
Sasuke without the sharingan is another story. Without it he is still Sasuke it doesn't define him like the Kyuubi does with Naruto and he is not dependent on it. Besides the Sharingan is his bloodline you can't discount it, its like saying Neji would be nothing without Byakugan you just can't do that. That is their own power its not some freaking demon fox the hokage decided to put inside them.
-Victory is victory despite whatever happened afterwards Choji won that battle fair and square you can't take away his victory because he would have died afterwards because that doesn't change the fact that he won. Survival is a different matter, I mean Sarutobi did defeat Orochimaru right and Yondaime did defeat the Kyuubi. The fact that they both died while their opponents survived doesn't change that they won.
Yeah hobbled is the right word.
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