The thing about that is, a lot of the way he acts now is self-defense to all the other bs he's put up with in his life. He's going to spend the rest of his life on guard, just waiting for the next person who was nice to him to suddenly turn their back on him and treat him like shit. It's a vicious cycle. Is he the cause of his pain, or the product of it? Probably a bit of both.Originally Posted by XanBcoo
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I know a kid like that from class. Everyone's agreed not to mess with him, but he still says stupid crap that makes everyone jump on him. It's an unfortunate circumstance.
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It.s probably too late at this point, he's screwed for life until something big changes him. All generalizations of course, but I learned from experience and that's how it was for me.
For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?
he would change if you ignore what he says and once you get closer to him you could start to ask him... maybe this will have an effect.
at least thats what happened when i talked to the nerd of our class :P well, he's able to talk to me without annoying me.. i don't know what exactly changed. the guy i m talking about was "suuuuper-shy".. if you talked to him the first thing he did was lowering his head and it was impossible to hear what he has to say because his voice was like a whisper..
other people of my class bullied him a bit because of that (not really bullying but more ignoring)... i don't know why but me and one of my friends didn't do it, but the funny thing was that he was even weirder to the people who CARED about him.. as soon as we said something against him and his attitude he was like his world was going upside down.. after a while my friend got annoyed by this and stopped caring for him and i was the only one left and now over the years he turned out to be somehow normal (well still a little fucked up but thats because of his parents, i m pretty sure it is... a 16 years old boy wasn't allowed to watch TV during the week lol.. and now with 18 i think he still isn't allowed to watch TV or play PC :/)
i think it turned out this way when i found out that he likes animes.. (i can't remember how i found that out though) i think this was the first time that someone talked with him about a subject HE likes and the OTHER person likes... and then everything started to change (slowly)...
what i want to say is that i believe no one is screwed for life..you just have to break through the shell that surrounds them ^^ (ah thats sounds lovely) but the problem is, that most people don't care enough to do that because its exhausting
edit: i just remembered what he did that everyone bullied him, when he was a bit younger he was stalking a girl (oh my gawd)... the girl said to him that she does not really like him (or more hate him), but he kept talking to her and so on...
he simply couldn't understand why, i guess he felt betrayed or so..
well the girl wanted to involve the police etc and thats when the guy i m talking about apoligized to her with a letter and explained to her that he's very sorry, in the letter was written that he never had a girlfriend before and all the guys he sees and know do have one and so on... you know i can't write it the way it was explained to me but that made me somehow very sad.. it simply shows how fucked up he was in his head.
btw even though he turned out to be a more "normal" guy through the years he still has a problem with girls ^^ i think he needs to get laid or so :P
Last edited by KrayZ33; Fri, 04-11-2008 at 08:15 AM.
Probably is a bit of both. The only reason people gave him bs in the first place was because of the way he acted. People's reactions to him just propagated that behavior.
There was also a kid who pretty much stalked girls (from other schools) at my high school. That wasn't the least of his problems, but it was something that he did repeatedly. He was also blind to people's dislike for him to a fault, and would always include himself when he wasn't wanted. Me and several friends had to ditch him once. Several people have confronted him about his social problems, but he never really seems to get it.
My point is you can try and befriend everybody, but there really are "lost causes" out there.
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I agree. I just try real hard not to make it onto any of their "lists".
For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?
It's often like this. They don't think that they can trust anyone after being pelted with insults for so long. It's sad, but they'd rather push people away than have them come in and criticize him. See, to him, that's essentially the same thing as being picked on, since he has no idea of the difference. Of course, that also depends on whether or not it was constructive criticism (i.e. "This and this is wrong with you, but if you do this, you'll be better off"), or just having said something to him along the lines of "Hey dude, so and so is wrong with you."
I'm not the most talkative guy on the planet (that's why I have you guys), and most of that's from being bullied around from third to seventh grade. The thing is, I don't push people away from me when they approach, though I am oftentimes rather skeptical about what they're coming to me for. I think that's what you're describing, but his skepticism is more involved than mine is. Those are the saddest stories - the ones where the kid can't make any friends because his conscience just can't let him. I think the best way to handle it is just as you said: keep at it. Eventually, he'll come around and be quite a bit easier to talk with or hang around with.
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I'm one of those guys who are a bit shy and don't really talk to you if I don't know you well. I'm still polite, but not talkative. Break that barrier, and my friends know I don't shut up..
There weren't any stalkers at my school. But I do remember two guys that were bullied, even up to senior high. One of them was just plain annoying, looked a bit like a rat, and just a real douche really. I never had much sympathy for him. He knows what's causing it too, but I guess he's happy with the few friends he has who could put up with him.
There was another little tubby guy just had a slightly weird sense of humour, and a bit childish. I didn't mind him, and since he was in like half my classes, I just talked to him a bit and stuff. I think I became one of his closest friends outside his group. He left before the last year of senior to get a job, and the whole class ends up missing his weird humour. In the end, he did become an integral part of our classroom lives.
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Lol yeah i keep reading this thread about so many people find bullying so wrong and intorable and bla bla but the fact still remains that you've probably witnessed many acts of bullying and did nothing about it.
Shity truth of the world - In school bullys are kings
Better truth of the world - Most of them are gonna die young or get shity jobs
Just ignore the fuckers and they'll leave you alone eventually i guess, if they don't stop bitching about it and do something to prevent it either by working out yourself, making tough friends or just by being a snitch.
You don't really go around everyday thinking that their going to die first or get shitty job. If your number 1 affected by bullys then it's almost impossible to stay longer alive than them.
As long as you havent inherted a "strong personality" it's almost impossible to keep the mood up.
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crapping up...
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That's one stereotype of the schoolyard bully. Don't forget the other, were you have the rich guy who got in a prestigious school with his parents' money, and everybody likes him since he's so popular. Then there's the poor guy/girl who got in via a scholarship, and can barely get by with her part time job after school. Bit hard for her to think he'll die sooner, or get a crappier job than her.
Then you have the workplace bully, who is often stereotyped as your senior or boss. Same situation, unless you are recognised by the higher ups or a different comp who can see past the BS your boss is putting forth.
But yeah, the key is making friends. Emotional support is the best when dealing with these situations. That....and numbers.
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Wich is extremly hard, as in my prevous post, that if you really wasnt born with strong personality, it's extremly hard to get past these things.
little soul your dreams are waitin'
crapping up...
hold them closely
never let go, never let go... <3
hmmm thats not always true... it depends on which school you are going to, in my school (academic high school) bullys were definitively not the "kings". but i think, most people here do not talk about "bullys", most of them say something like "the whole class" etc. and i think thats something different, yeah they are cases where one guy you "fear" says something like "look at him, he's weird everyone who gets near him is weird too!" and they believe him... but thats not the case everywhere. in my school, bullys were often the ones who were left alone because nobody wanted to get near those assholes. If people were left alone this didn't happen because only 1 certain person said that he doesn't like him, but because he was really weird or an asshole, but in the end there were always people who could get along with their attitude.
as i said one of my classmates was weird too... i got along with him and nothing really changed, my other friends still don't like him but its not like they are now ignoring ME because i go over to his house sometimes or so.
well i have to admit thats not the same in every school... but i m happy that this is how it went in mine ^^
Last edited by KrayZ33; Sat, 04-12-2008 at 12:29 PM.
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That is simply wrong. And the guys only got talked to? I would have fired the dumbasses! What if the girl does it again? WTF!?
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That is too funny, someone is using youtube to post the names and addresses of the 8 accused and they are getting death threats. Great way to use youtube to strike back on these idiots. The empire would be proud.
Talk shows have a history of shady behavior looking for notoriety and exposure. Remember when the gay guy got killed after being on Jenny Jones? What a mess.
@python: they could retract the bail if they want to. I guess at this point they'll not make it a bigger mess by doing that.
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I'm completely stumped. I don't know what the fuck Dr. Phil was thinking. They can't even get her on the show, so he basically bought her a "get out of jail free" card when none of those girls should ever see the light of day again. What the hell is this?
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My point is that they shouldn't have done it at all. If they didn't want to be seen as criminal sympathizer, they shouldn't have paid the bail. Oh well, what's done is done. Let's see what the girl does now, now that the whole world's against her.
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Well it probably (maybe) wasn't Dr. Phil himself, but show producers looking for a big scoop. The article says that "staff members" posted the bail. Of course, they might just be scapegoats, which would be why they weren't fired. Either way, it was a poor judgment call, not really vicious or anything. Typical talk show garbage.
For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?
Oooh, I wanted to bring this thread back because of the serious cyuber-bullying issues that have been happening. They're making a pretty big deal out of it here.
So...anyone done it or been on the receiving end?
I know a girl here(I think it was here) lost in a school sport competition and a few learners made a hate site dedicated to her and said some pretty bad things. One comment said something like: "This site is an example of cyber-bullyiing. YAY!"
It's not really joke. At all.
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