Naruto Chapter 388

[toonice714]

Ok before i say any thing about this chapter i wanna say that [B]some[B][ of our gotwoot members write too f%ckin much. its soo dishearting to want to join a conversation when there are such long winded comments. Please just leave a little comment. God forbid we dont touch on everylittle nuance of these 17 pg chapters.

Anyways the uchihas blow. This why they're all dead. because they look at eachother the wrong way, Zetsu is sooo bored that is play by play is wittled down to "OOh fierce stare from uchiha 1! UH OH Uchiha 2 battles back with a grimace to break the fierce stare!! This one is really heating up."

COME ONE KISAME V SUIGETSU!!! Or madara v Leaf Village

Edit: fierce

[Psyke]

I was disappointed when Sasuke didn't lose his eye. Having a commentator for the fight seemed a bit weird too.

[Y]

So I guess Itachi used Tsukuyomi on Sasuke twice then?

We know he used it to tell the story of Madara, and that Saskue broke out of it just now...
But there's still shuriken all over the ground, which means that some of the stuff from the last chapter happened outside of Tsukuyomi....

It's more likely he turned the Mangekyou Sharingan on for either no reason, or because he needed it on to start doing the seals for Tsukuyomi to hit Sasuke with it at that page where he turns into crows and goes for his eye. Zetsu comments later "Oh, he took a Tsukuyomi, fight's over" which seems like a weird statement to say after the SECOND one. Plus Itachi using his trump card to show Sasuke a flashback is completely retarded (unless he's trying to throw the fight, which is also perfectly possible).

[conquistaDan]

I agree with toonice on this one. I want to see Madara take on the leaf alone. But only as Madara, not tobi. Because that'd be stupid. I also agree that Sasuke not losing his eye is stupid as well.


I was browsing around and found this too. Enjoy. I thought it was funny

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4...ringandth2.jpg

[February]

I would like to see Itachi use what Kakashi used with his MS, the dimension transfer thing. But then again, the anime made it seem like it took 2 hours to use it so maybe Itachi might not have enough time to use it

I never actually considered the black flame amaeretsu jutsu as part of a MS jutsu till now. I guess I just thought MS only performed genjutsu stuff while I thought the black flame thing was an elemental jutsu

[SilentSnake]

I would like to see Itachi use what Kakashi used with his MS, the dimension transfer thing. But then again, the anime made it seem like it took 2 hours to use it so maybe Itachi might not have enough time to use it

I never actually considered the black flame amaeretsu jutsu as part of a MS jutsu till now. I guess I just thought MS only performed genjutsu stuff while I thought the black flame thing was an elemental jutsu

Back in the day it was discussed that Tsukuyomi is genjutsu technique of MS, Amaterasu is ninjutsu and it was wondered what could be a taijutsu one and if there is one at all.

With kakashi pulling of his "black hole" it's even more weird assuming that every MS user gets/learns different techniques depending on ihavenoidea

I did enjoy this chapter actually, but Sasuke should lose 1 of his eyes imho, it would become more interesting and would prolly lead to Sasuke fleeing and Itachi having a souvenir

[DB_Hunter]

Yep, defo not happy with the Sasuke fanboyishness of Kishi in the plot. So now a normal Sharingan with enough training is stronger than an MS? Thats just bullshit. There is a lack of consistancy already in techniques, abilities and 'power levels' in naruto already without having this thrown in as well.

[Y]

Yep, defo not happy with the Sasuke fanboyishness of Kishi in the plot. So now a normal Sharingan with enough training is stronger than an MS? Thats just bullshit. There is a lack of consistancy already in techniques, abilities and 'power levels' in naruto already without having this thrown in as well.

It's perfectly fine and Sasuke's reasoning is correct. He has focused his entire life on the "reality" of him being able to kill Itachi. That pervades his perceptions more completely than any illusionary technique.

[Assertn]

Plus Itachi using his trump card to show Sasuke a flashback is completely retarded (unless he's trying to throw the fight, which is also perfectly possible).

That's not too unexpected though...He did do that on two seperate occasions to show Sasuke a flashback of the Uchiha clan being wiped out.

[chet_chetty]

I thinnk Itachi used simple genjutsu, not Tsukuyomi, to tell the story of Madara to Sasuke. It seems like a prime intended effect of Tsukuyomi is to leave the taker in paralysis so the giver can make the completely unopposed kill. Sasuke was certainly not in any state of paralysis after the Madara story genjutsu was finished. Sasuke did not attempt to break the genjutsu because he understood the purpose was simply to tell a story.

I can sort of buy that Sasuke was able to break the Tsukuyomi of Itachi taking his eye. If normal genjutsu is broken by the taker disrupting one's own chakra flow, then that's what Sasuke did. Except he used the cursed seal level 2 to forcibly release an enormous amount of chakra to disrupt his chakra flow. Basically, Kishi is placing the "power" of Tsukuyomi and cursed seal level 2 on par with each other, in an indirect sense. Also the fact that he has the heaven seal, Kishi did beef Sasuke's seal up to do some unbelievable things.

[Sidnne]

Ok before i say any thing about this chapter i wanna say that [B]some[B][ of our gotwoot members write too f%ckin much. its soo dishearting to want to join a conversation when there are such long winded comments. Please just leave a little comment. God forbid we dont touch on everylittle nuance of these 17 pg chapters.

God forbid some of us like to engage in intelligent, open-minded, and well-thought-out conversation and debate.

Gotwoot has, for the most part, pretty intelligent members. Simply posting something like "Hey, cool chapter." doesn't really require a forum or do it any justice. We enjoy theories, opinions, and predictions, as well as discussing the philosophies, which exist in the manga. We also enjoy picking apart and criticizing all of those things.

Yes, some posts can drag on a bit, but if you don't feel like reading it, then skip it. Its a lot better than if nobody ever had anything to say.

[February]

Well i don't think the chapters have really shown us that sharingan overpowered MS, its just something Sasuke said. And besides, Itachi has said before that sharigan is resistant to MS (when he was fighting kakashi) so Sasuke able to break Tsukuyomi just means that he had enough power to resist it. I don't think Kishi is trying to say that Sasuke with normal sharingan > Itachi with MS

[SilentSnake]

Imho Sasuke's hate is just curse seal lvl 2.

sharingan + cursed seal lvl 2 were the reason he broke it and I don't even think it was on purpose, he could suspect that something is wrong with reality but he had no way of knowing for sure if cursed seal lvl 2 would make any difference in case of Tsukuyomi.

I refuse to buy the crap with normal sharingan potential vs MS, it's only a coverage for lvl 2 cursed seal with sugar added.

[Chiodos]

Well i don't think the chapters have really shown us that sharingan overpowered MS, its just something Sasuke said. And besides, Itachi has said before that sharigan is resistant to MS (when he was fighting kakashi) so Sasuke able to break Tsukuyomi just means that he had enough power to resist it. I don't think Kishi is trying to say that Sasuke with normal sharingan > Itachi with MS

I actally think that Kishi tries to pull it off...

"Experienced" "Normal" Sharingan User (Sasuke) > MS (Itachi)

[Xscatic]

Tried posting this earlier, but anyway it was a nice chapter, and it finally showed one of Itachi's famous techniques being defeated.

Everyone is saying that Sasuke got out of it with a "normal sharingan", but can you consider the curse seal tech. normal? So far every ninja who has activated their curse seal to level 2 transformed into something that either was not human and/or gain additional organs/ features that are not normal /human.

Because of this here is my theory on how Sasuke got of of Tsukuyomi: it was not a matter of a power increase or the fact that Sasuke's type of charka changed, it was just that his perceived physical shape (with emphasis on the eyes) underwent a drastic change from it's normal shape/ condition and that Itachi was not prepared for it. Remember that genjutsu can affect a person's mind through the body and vice-versa.

As for proof, look closely during the fight. When Sasuke activatived his curse seal, he was still under Tsukuyomi, dispite his efforts to fight back. Tsukuyomi only starting to brake down when Sasuke eyes changed, and after it did Sasuke was still "normal" and both of them didn't realize what happen until sometime later.

[Raven]

One thing I'm wondering about is why did Itachi actually bother with any form of Genjustsu, why didn't he just rip out the eyes for real straight away?

There have been a lot of "oh, it was an illusion the whole time" moments in this series. But I can't really see a reason for this one. It's his objective to get the eyes, so why pretend to?

[FullMetalAlchemist]

i find it funny how everyone is saying "WTF!!! Sasuke shouldn't be able to beat itachi", but wait isn't sasuke pretty much the second main character of Naruto? what did u think will happen of course he will be able to fight his brother which has been his whole story thus far, find his brother and kill him. Also it was only one part of the MS that itachi has used, which he used on sasuke before. Maybe just maybe sasuke trained himself to fight that technique since he knew itachi would use it? Oh wait the clay dude (i forgot his name dieadora or something like that) did the same thing, he trained his eye to fight gengutsu.

The reason sasuke is healed after fighting the clay guy is because of the healing powers he gained from taking in oro. he said it after the fight that he was amazed at how fast he was recovering, u just need to look back and it was explained why he is healed.

It might not happen now, but it will happen before naruto is over Sasuke will kill Itachi, and it aint cause kishi loves him it's because that was sasukes goal/character desighn from the begining of this manga. On another note, Sasuke still hasn't used the technique oro told him not to use on naruto, i doubt it was the shuricans or manda summon lol.

[Chiodos]

One thing I'm wondering about is why did Itachi actually bother with any form of Genjustsu, why didn't he just rip out the eyes for real straight away?

There have been a lot of "oh, it was an illusion the whole time" moments in this series. But I can't really see a reason for this one. It's his objective to get the eyes, so why pretend to?

Problaby the cheapest way of straining someones mental strength, securing your own fysical.

[animus]

I still think it's silly that Sasuke says I hate you so much I can just beat a technique I've never experienced before over people who've experienced it can't beat.

As far as I can tell I don't think Itachi has ever trapped Sasuke in a Tsukuyomi or even used his MS on him prior to the encounter?

[TwisT]

Yes he have. Back at the inn when Itachi and Kisame was going to capture Naruto. Then Sasuke came. Then he gave him a dose. And from the flashbacks from when Itachi killed of the Uchia clan. Then he also gave him a dose of it.