Naruto Chapter 388

[conquistaDan]

some scan sites


http://00avalon.wordpress.com/2008/0...o-388-reality/

and/or


http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25165


couldn't find the chapter as a whole yet. I hope this is acceptable

enjoy

[Rikudo]

Lame. Seems like Kishi luvs Sasuke too much to actually damage his pretty face.

Zetsu doing play-by-play is even gayer than Madden on Monday Night football.

[conquistaDan]

I agree with you 100%

In fact. If Kishi makes Itachi lose to his little brother. I'm going to stop reading for a looooong while. At least until the next fight is started and this crap is over. Not only is Itachi losing a terrible plot line for Kishi to take, but it's just plain predictable at this point. The only good turn around at this point is if he made Itachi's eye missing a fake ploy in his genjutsu against sasuke and turned it around on him some how.

[RyougaZell]

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[Idealistic]

So it really was genjutsu, well Tsukoyomi(sp?) to be exact.

Damn, and I thought Sasuke really lost his eye.

[animus]

That play by play sure was homosexual.

[Yukimura]

Why is everyone so dead set that Sasuke couldn't have improved enough to beat Itachi? He's not exactly a slouch and he's certainly had plenty of incentive to improve himself over the years. Oro even thought Sasuke even better than he was at the same age, and that was before Sasuke absorbed Oro's abilities into himself.

Now, we don't know if Itachi's had more incentive to strengthen himself since joining Akatsuki or not, and we don't even know what the limits of his abilities were before the time skip, but if he hasn't improved that much in the time between leaving the village and now then I would think it's at least possible that Sasuke caught up to him considering he's been trying to improve himself constantly for all those years.

[Abdula]

So you really think Itachi the guy who has been talking about how the clan limited themselves and didn't test the limits of their capacity and they guy who has been talking about exceeding the limits of his capacity wasn't improving himself all this time.

That just plain doesn't make sense, sure Sasuke may have gotten closer to Itachi's level but since the very beginning Itachi has been waiting and preparing for this day even more so than Sasuke. Not to mention that Itachi has been in Akatsuki all this time so even if he wasn't training just being with those kind of people would force him to improve himself.

Since you mention that Oro said that Sasuke was better than he was when he was that age, I think its important to mention that Itachi defeated Oro oh about TEN years ago. I'm all for Sasuke and his deep-seated hatred but this doesn't make any sense at all, Kishi said that Sharingan can't beat MS, Itachi said so himself and now Sasuke is breaking out of tsukiyomi. Whats the point of killing your best friend to gain MS if your little brother is going to defeat it using normal sharingan.

Yes I get it Sasuke's eyes are supposed to be stronger than Itachi's they been saying that since the beginning and hate is supposed to be the source of the Uchiha's power and no one has more hate than Sasuke but MS>Sharingan. The only reasonable explanation I can think of is that Itachi's MS has gotten much weaker due to overuse but they never said you get weaker they said you go blind in exchange for power so even that doesn't make sense.

That is the only explanation I can think of though so I would say Itachi's eyes have gotten weaker and using the curse seal Sasuke was able to generate more power than Itachi expected.

[Assertn]

So I guess Itachi used Tsukuyomi on Sasuke twice then?

We know he used it to tell the story of Madara, and that Saskue broke out of it just now...
But there's still shuriken all over the ground, which means that some of the stuff from the last chapter happened outside of Tsukuyomi....

[Sapphire]

WHAT DID I JUST READ

Well this chapter was contradicting. *Waits for next chapter*

[DDBen]

and the Genjutsu fight continues to suck. I'm really hating a fight where we can see anything happen and yet none of it matters at all. On top of that Sasuke winning now continues to seem more and more absurd Itachi mastered his Sharingan to a level that made him better then all anbu by 13 and better then anyone in the clan with the clan around to give him pointers. Your going to tell me Sasuke who is self taught is suddenly better with it then Itachi with only 3 years of training under Orochimaru.... I think not.

I agree with everyone who's not liking this chapter because it has no logic behind it.

[Abdula]

Genjutsu does matter if Sasuke wasn't able to break out of the genjutsu then he would have lost plain and simple. You can't simply say genjutsu doesn't matter its just like any other battle they are using techniques and each one is countering the others technique, it wouldn't make a difference if they were using shuriken, shadow clones or chidoris is still an actual battle.

[Chiodos]

That was a very wierd and ridicoulus way of telling Sasukes fanbase "No girls, whathefuckhappens I will not harm your precious Sasuke <3!".....

I'm gonna throw a stone and say that when the battle is over, and Sasuke (SOMEHOW...) defeats Itachi he will achieve (SOMEHOW...) The Mangekyo Sharingan!...

That would even be more lame-ish than this weeks chapter, seriously...

[Yukimura]

Abdula is apparently a student of the Munsu school of assuming if you say something then you must think exactly like the least sane type of person who might reasonably say the same thing.

I'm sure irrational Sasuke fanboys would say Sasuke has a chance too, however I am not a Sasuke fanboy, I am an open-minded Naruto reader who knows that Kishi has a massive boner for Sasuke and has previously contradicted himself with respect to people being able to defeat other people and then tried to justify it with some weird explanation.

I don't think Sasuke should be able to beat Itachi any more than most of the rest of you, however I don't think it would be impossible within the continuity for some (lame) explanation to be introduced that makes for Sasuke eeking out the win (Diedara anyone?).

Sasuke is more popular than Itachi, Kishi loves him, and Kishi doesn't seem to care about telling a compelling story if it conflicts with his interests. Since the setup has Itachi pretty dead set on taking Sasuke's eyes in this fight, and that is not going to happen for non-plot related reasons, either Sasuke will defeat him and kill him, will force him to withdraw, or they'll be interrupted. It's not that I don't have faith in Itachi, I just have more faith in Kishimoto's love for Sasuke, and ultimately that is what will determine the outcome of this fight.

[Chiodos]

Kishi will problaby get threat mail if he touches Sasuke the wrong way....

.....

Wich makes me think the dumbest thing that if he does something bad to his precious, a huge fanbase will problaby STOP READING the manga becuse...well
...they're Sasuke fanboys...

[Abdula]

First of all whats wrong with the Munsu school of assuming? and secondly while I don't consider myself to be a Sasuke fanboy I am a big fan of his. These are my two favorite characters and I don't have a problem with Sasuke defeating Itachi or vice versa in fact I don't really care either way its just that Kishi is seriously contradicting himself. Other than that I'm completely satisfied with this battle and I'm looking forward to one of them dying, hopefully. The only problem here is the lame explanation, "The sharingan is just a shinobi's weapon and the strength of a weapon depends on the user's ability" sure I could go along with that but where does experience fit into that equation.

[DDBen]

Genjutsu does matter if Sasuke wasn't able to break out of the genjutsu then he would have lost plain and simple. You can't simply say genjutsu doesn't matter its just like any other battle they are using techniques and each one is countering the others technique, it wouldn't make a difference if they were using shuriken, shadow clones or chidoris is still an actual battle.

You've misinterpreted my statement. Yes a Genjutsu causes a level of mental strain and if you can overload your opponent with it then they may pass out and you win. However, the events shown in a genjutsu are never real so you can show ANYTHING happening to someone and it means nothing. I hate the aspect of them where we see Sasuke's eye torn out and then they go just kidding reset it was a genjutsu. That aspect of how when people fight with them the viewer can see absolutely anything and then have everything we see be worthless over and over again is just dumb essentially this fight is 2 people standing there having a staring contest.

Also if your genjutsu is dispelled you have nothing to show for it. If you on the other hand wound your opponent then you still have blood loss, pain and possibly you disable a part of them like a arm or a leg. I'm glad its been used fairly sparingly and these Itachi Sasuke chapters with a genjutsu sparing match are just painful. Now if you want to make them more meaningful then you should have the person countering it during the genjutsu. For instance Itachi goes to pluck Sasuke's eye and Sasuke makes them switch places and is shown plucking Itachi's eye forcing him to end the genjutsu and recoil. The way this was done I'd atleast expect Sasuke to really have gone curse seal level 1 to prevent it instead of just standing there with Itachi looking pathetic.

Plus as far as the eye techniques go I'm pretty sure we have never been told anything that wasn't contradicted almost immediately post time skip.

[Chiodos]

From what I get, and if I am any near right, Sasukes Ace Card is The Cursed Seal and we all know that if your going to be something in the Naruniverse you need atleast a set of eyes...
So, what I see it's alwasy been eyes against everything so Kishi probably needed an annoying plot-hole to make this work.

If the upcoming chapters continues walking the path it is doing now, it seems that Sasuke>Itachi....

...but maybe something will supriese me.

[Abdula]

@ DDBen: Okay I guess I misunderstood. Oh and to be able to turn someone else's genjutsu against them I would expect that there has to be a huge disparity between the level of the two users like with Itachi and Kurenai. I doubt that could happen with Sasuke and Itachi.

Since you mentioned the curse seal when I was reading this chapter one thing was bothering me. To break out of the technique Sasuke went CS2 within the genjutsu much like when Naruto tried to break out of Itachi's genjutsu before by using some of the Kyuubi's chakra. So does what the victim of the jutsu do within the jutsu really matter because I would expect that Sasuke himself would have transformed at that point but it doesn't appear that he did.

[DDBen]

Since you mentioned the curse seal when I was reading this chapter one thing was bothering me. To break out of the technique Sasuke went CS2 within the genjutsu much like when Naruto tried to break out of Itachi's genjutsu before by using some of the Kyuubi's chakra. So does what the victim of the jutsu do within the jutsu really matter because I would expect that Sasuke himself would have transformed at that point but it doesn't appear that he did.

Well its a illusion I'm not even sure you need to be able to do the jutsu you use during it in real life in the first place. It would stand to believe you only have to imagine you can do it for it to happen in a genjutsu.

This is however exactly the kind of thing that bothers me. At curse seal level 2 I can at least imagine that Sasuke has managed to shorten the gap to Itachi's overall power but he's got him almost falling over when he's not even using curse seal level 1. Thats what seems absurd were talking about him beating Sasuke without even using a 3rd of his power and Itachi has to get serious to even keep from losing at his best skill with the MS? Come on thats just moronic. For Sasuke to not die to Diedara he had to go curse seal level 2, Summon Orochimaru's best summon and phase out of the dimension yet with Itachi he just stands there and stares at him.

I don't even see a reason for Itachi to be in this fight considering Sasuke lacks MS in the first place. Considering Kakashi leveled up someone else's Sharingen. But sasuke isn't full grown and one would imagine you can't transplant eye's of different sizes that easily you know empty space and all. So really when it comes down to it why is Itachi fighting in the first place if Sasuke's eye's are still worthless? The only reasonable explanation is his eye's have gotten so bad he will be blind without a transplant and thats likely why Sasuke will win this fight. Of course if that happens Sasuke likely won't kill itachi and Mandara will come and take Itachi's eye's to restore is EMS being Itachi claims he's a shell of his former self and its pretty likely he needs new eye's.