I've got a feeling Sasuke gained more than just healing powers when he took Orochimaru's bijuu into his mind. For one thing, I have a really strong feeling he gained Orochimaru's ability to puke a snake/Orochimaru out. Which might mean that even if Itachi takes his eyes, a "new" Sasuke would appear, complete with eyes.
I don't see the point in Itachi taking his eyes now. In fact, it would ruin his "spares". Sasuke still doesn't have the Magnekyu Sharingan.
With any number of other characters that would be correct. But, Sasuke is an Uchiha, this isn't just an eye we are talking about, we are talking about sharingan. He had better care if he loses an eye.Originally Posted by toonice714
Yeah, that's one thing I don't quite understand about this either. Itachi has basically already told Sasuke during this fight to come back when he has MS. But then he tries to take his eyes anyway.
So now it seems like Itachi doesn't need for Sasuke to have MS in order to take his eyes? If that's the case then why the hell did Itachi wait so long to take his eyes; why didn't he just take them years ago?
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Sucks for Sasuke, he always had an eye for trouble.
Yeah...I'll go away now.
I still dont get what stealing sasuke's eyes will accomplish....when madara stole the eyes from his brother, they both already had MS.....all this will do is give itachi a new pair of eyes, with no MS. Unless he goes and activates it himself, in which case, he'd end up going blind again (or atleast he should, otherwise it'd be pretty gay).
Also, last chapter itachi said that dozens of people had killed each otehr to attain the MS thru out uchiha history, which directly contradicts the whole 'only 3 ppl have ever gotten it' thing. anyone wanna explain that to me?
Last edited by Assassin; Sat, 02-02-2008 at 04:38 PM.
why didnt madara and his brother just swithced eyes or something?
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Quote of the month already, so soon into Feb.
Anyway, when this chapter eventually gets converted to anime, the watchers will know straight away who screamed as they can hear the voice. I like it better this way, it keeps us guessing.
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Loopholes man! Well, actually, I think madara's eyes probably deteriorated quicker than his younger brother's, so I don't think bad eyes would do his younger brother any good. Or simply, he just didn't care about his younger brother.
@Assassin, I think they tried, but I don't think any of them ever got MS. Being a genius probably comes into play. And I was going to quote that typo, but Raven got to it first.
As for why Itachi wants the eyes now, he probably needed "strong" eyes, and not just any type of eyes. But yeah, that's still kind of lame.
Would the MS eyes of Madara's brother also have deteriorated like Madara's? He swapped one crap pair of eyes for another.
You don't lose your sight because of having the M. Sharingan... you lose it by using it. His brother might've not been tempted by its powers like Madara did.
With all the eye snatching going on, Kakashi better start running or else Tobi will pluck his left eye out when he see's that Kakashi have a MS.
I don't think just "switching eyes" is the point to EMS. The process they're following has two effects. First of all, it's the act of killing your brother, which in itself has to be a factor considering that the requirement of killing your friend was for the first MS. Second of all, the demon behind Itachi/Madara shows two sets of eyes, which suggests that it's the combination of both pairs that creates the EMS, not just the replacement. Maybe there's a process to physically merge the eyes into yours or something....
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I agree with Assertn completely. I think it requires the new eyes and the old eyes. Also as stated above, it might just be that people tried to gain the MS, but couldn't even after killing their friends, but when Itachi spoke of three being capable he meant present time didn't he? So who knows there could have been more in the past. It was probably well hidden and forbidden.
As for Itachi wanting Sasuke's eyes now his explanation has been very vague (thus the reason for so much speculation about this, and the above points.), but -I- think what it is is you need someone who is capable of gaining MS. Sasuke is definetely capable, along with his hate, but he was just too stubborn to kill Naruto.
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atleast this serves as a partial explanation to how kakashi might have gotten the MS...i guess that implies that tobi was also capable of getting it. And also, kakashi should be able to use MS without and eye deterioration.
Since all Uchihas' have the same last name, maybe the whole inbreeding is what makes the sharingan very powerful but at the same time causes blindness.
he could be using a genjutsu
Ah, Oro is not a bijuu, and I don't know what you think but that jutsu Oro used always appeared to be just a trumped up substitution in my opinion and Sasuke being able to make his eyes reappear if Itachi takes them would be just plain dumb.
It was never said that there were only 3 people in the history of the clan to gain MS.
I was thinking about that too but if he already has EMS he wouldn't need Kakashi's pathetic eye and like I said before if for some reason he has lost it then there is Sasuke. I mean his whole obsession was with Sasuke so if anything he would take Itachi's eyes once Itachi takes Sasuke's.
There must be because one, you can't just pop out people's eyes just like that and even if you could you can't just pluck your own out and put their's in. When Itachi sent those tentacle like things after Sasuke's eyes I thought that it had to do with genjutsu. We all ready know that MS can affect the physical world and Itachi has already mastered genjutsu. So using MS and some advanced genjutsu that removes Sasuke's eyes and then merges them with his is not a stretch. It could be something like Oro's transfer jutsu in that the actual transfer takes place within another dimension.
What makes you think Kakashi will be able to use MS without his eye deteriorating. They said that MS naturally deteriorates and that using it only speeds the process up, so I thought it was inevitable.
Well so far there is nothing to prove that Sasuke needs to have MS before Itachi takes his eye and since Kakashi acquired it I really don't see why he would need Sasuke to as long as Sasuke's eyes are capable of it. As for why he would wait so long, he was waiting because he wanted to fight him when they both had it. He told Sasuke that killing him back then wouldn't serve any purpose because he was too weak.
So I would say that he waited that long because he wanted Sasuke to gain MS on his own and then both of them would face off against each other. I suppose that due to the extent that his eye has already deteriorated that he is forced to take them now before he goes completely blind and not wait on Sasuke anymore.
Last edited by Abdula; Sun, 02-03-2008 at 01:14 AM.
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I wonder if Kishi is going to make the Sharingan even stronger and pull off something where Madara is trying to combine EMS with EMS. You know, like steal Itachi's eyes (hypothetically if he got them off Sasuke, which I don't think he will), and combine them with his own. I think it would be horribly stupid, but with the constant Sharingan secrets you never know.
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I think any more powerups for the Sharingan will be pretty stupid now. Yes we know its powerful, but enough with the SSJ level 1->4 crap. That only worked in DBZ. Barely.
Actually I don't mind the sharingan power ups because thus far they aren't really that spectacular and they don't make you ridiculously overpowered or borderline invincible with unexplainable god like abilities like they did in the other show. It hasn't gotten ridiculous yet because we haven't seen the practical applications of EMS yet and its not like the other show where after one person gets it everyone jumps on the band wagon too.
I mean Sasuke is one of the major characters if not the most important character in the show and he doesn't have MS yet. So I don't see what the problem is its not like six or seven characters suddenly busting out MS, at worst the most we will ever see is four and its not like it makes you invincible so its no biggie.
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This is definitely better than SSJ 1-4.
The higher level SSJs were completely improvised, and were way beyond anything any Saiyan had done before...yet here you end up with 3 or 4 of them who can all do it now.
The EMS is just one powerup that will push Itachi back into the number 1 spot where he belonged since like, episode 5. He's been downplayed a lot since shippuuden started. Clearly, this was not improvised, as it finally explains the plothole that had been left since the first flashbacks of the Uchiha massacre. Remember when people used to complain about that?
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