Enjoyed this ep, 'specially the end. I was like "YEAH Naruto! In yo face! You got OWNED b*atch!"
But for real, can't wait for the next ep.
The flashback, biiiiig mistake. I was like "wtf?!".
And about DB, dudes, even I'm getting tired of the recycled rerun crap displayed here. And I even got bad-repped for CREATING the darn thread about them! (Sorry bout the caps).
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That was damn cool of Yamato to tell Naruto the truth, usually in situations like these in both film or anime I expect that the story will advance with no one telling the character that kind of thing-they eventually learn on their own. But not this time. Smart move, since it'll make Naruto think before he goes 4 tails with the knowledge that he'll fire indiscriminately at friend and foe alike.
I think the wood clone might be cooler because the wood is imbued with life via the wood element jutsu. I'm interested to see if the thing can actually survive a hit unlike all the other clone types.
I agree with pretty much everything said about the flashbacking; that really threw me. The shows creators seem unsure as to whether Naruto viewers can retain information from 5 minutes ago… That said I was pleasantly surprised with Yamato’s speech. It further differentiates him from Kakashi’s almost guardian-like role and makes sense. Naruto & Sakura can’t expect to always work with such compensating ninja.
Really didn’t expect Yamato to reveal the truth to Naruto though. I wonder if Naruto will be conflicted in drawing on the chakra of the Nine-tails in up-coming battles. Hopefully we don’t get too much of the “I can’t use my power or I’ll hurt the ones I care about” syndrome.
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Actually, I hope that is what happens because Naruto's been using the demon fox cloak for everything lately. And now the only time its interesting is when he grows a new tail.Originally Posted by Vash72
I really want him to have learned something NEW during the skip. I hope to god he did. I'm gonna be pissed if he really only learned how to make bigger Rasengans and how to dispel genjutsu.
Well I'm just hoping he becomes like other ninjas and learns to rely on his own strength instead of being completely dependent on the Kyuubi for everything. I mean Naruto is supposed to have a very high chakra capacity I would hope that someone could train him to improve himself instead of just being Kyuubi, Kyuubi, Kyuubi, then I might have a little respect for him.
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well its not a problem to rely on the kyuubi but all his jutsus are fucking lame...
i wouldn't mind him using kagebushin when he gets to the fourth tail though --> mass wolf attack!
its also a shame that there are so few weapon users in the naruto-universum... we need more zabuzas, more demon brothers, more "that ill guy with the sword and his unique technique" even if they don't use it often it would be so much cooler if they just wear that sword on their backs ^^
the current fights are really lame its to much ranged combat, its always jutsu 1 vs jutsu 2... i really miss fights like when sasuke went to orochimaru and fought against naruto.
there have been so many nice fights but not enough, naruto has about 300(?) episodes but only, like..... 10 fights which were actually fluent and involved more than just 1 killer jutsu.
oro vs hokage (except the part with this soul-sealing that was boring again),sasuke vs oro (oh my gawd that was the best), sasuke vs naruto, gaara vs lee, lee vs this bone-freak, sasori vs sakura + oldwoman and then it starts to get difficult to name good fights, there has been small ones like vs the demonbrothers or this "unlucky" guy but they were really short... even the sanin fight was actually boring.. i have a feeling that fights between "ultra ninjas" are actually the most boring ones, it feels like watching a world war 2 movie, artillery rounds smashing on the ground everywhere you look......and there i thought that beeing a ninja means that you are sneaky and have some smooth moves to overpower the enemy.
i don't understand it at all, naruto just got a little smarter (which isn't difficult), i wished him to learn how to handle new weapon (a sword for example) like sasuke did (as we can see in the first shippudden episode), it was so cool when he took that sword out of the sheath
a fight between 2 sword users would be so great.... jesus...
can someone sum up narutos techniques?
its just (taju) kage-bushin and rasengan am i right? i can't remember him using anything else in about 5 years (!!!!!!) what the hell?
i think watching naruto is more a habit than a pleasure.
this has nearly nothing to do with episode 45 but i feel better now..thanks and sry
Well even Kabuto said that Naruto vs Oro was a battle of two monsters rather than two ninjas. As for the rest of your complaints just keep watching it gets much better.
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I couldn't agree more. Half of what makes ninjas so cool is crazyass weapons.
It's especially frustrating because most of the covers for the Naruto manga volumes show the characters wielding awsome weapons but they never do it in the manga.
I actually agree with pretty much everything you said, but I feel the need to note here that being a ninja actually means completing your mission by any means necessary. Samurai and other honourable people followed a code of conduct, at least on the surface and ideally, but ninja were tools to do the dirty work.and there i thought that beeing a ninja means that you are sneaky and have some smooth moves to overpower the enemy
But I seriously doubt there has been a Naruto viewer (or reader) who didn't hope they would use fricking swords. A man with a sword always overpowers an empty handed man statistically so it would make bloody sense to have one, even if it's just a short one for easy carrying.
I guess in a world where your opponent can instantly swap his body with another object, stop blades with wind and water or reattach his decapitated body with snakes, a sword is pretty much useless. There is also the need to hit the enemy without trapping/exposing yourself in that motion, a sword that is swung or stabbed commits your body and takes a slightly longer time to retract than a smaller blade. So using the kunai would make sense, its a quick hit and withdrawal and easy to hide, whereas a sword can easily get stuck or stopped, then the user would be screwed (i.e Hayate)But I seriously doubt there has been a Naruto viewer (or reader) who didn't hope they would use fricking swords. A man with a sword always overpowers an empty handed man statistically so it would make bloody sense to have one, even if it's just a short one for easy carrying.
I think you gotta be a pretty high level in Naruto to even consider using a sword (i.e Zabuza and mist swordsmen), otherwise it doesn't make sense to issue them to standard ninja.
Last edited by DeathscytheVII; Wed, 02-06-2008 at 04:12 AM.
Normal people in Naruto don't have such immortality techniques like Oro. And no decent fighter in the series has ever been defeated with kunai, no matter how many were thrown. They are pretty much useless for direct fighting. They seem pretty nice for carrying exploding tags, though.
And I'm not saying a sword would be any universal winner method but it would be highly suitable for fighting someone you otherwise would fight in empty handed melee (taijutsu). Nor is a sword glued into your hand. It doesn't give any disadvantages in that sense. You can even throw it into your opponents face to momentarily confuse him. However, when somebody attacks you empty handed and you have a sword in your hand, it gives two definite advantages: Reach and cutting damage (bleeding will weaken the opponent). Plus it's of course intimidating.
But when fighting some of the monsters in the Naruto world, a simple sword surely isn't enough. But of course a sword doesn't need to be a simple one. There could be any number of chakra based techniques used to enhance its abilities.
Lee doesn't look weak to me and he has basically no chakra control. so if tai-jutsu isn't useless, then a sword-user can't be that bad.
so imagine a swordsman with chakra control but speed like lee has, in addition you can't block a sword with your fists
maybe you watched fate/stay night or remember the fictional story about that swordsman in that series... if there are techniques like that there shouldn't be a problem.
oro himself uses swords very often too. its simply not fair to mention for example son-goku with his unrealistic techniques and compare him to a swordman in the real world.
a swordsman in naruto could have some awesome skills too.
btw nearly all anbu members carry a sword am i right?
he? heeee?
its simply a SHAME!
i remember that the hokage used a staff when he fought oro (that ape-summoning-thingy)
Last edited by KrayZ33; Wed, 02-06-2008 at 05:24 AM.
Yeah, all Anbu seem to carry the short ninja sword (the name escapes me and the wikipedia quick search bar is so far away) as part of their uniforms (exception: hokage's guards at chuunin exams, but that's understandable). IIRC Itachi was shown holding his sword with his dead parents at his feet, but other than that I don't remember seeing any other ANBU actually use the sword.
It's funny, cause actually how it's portraited, it shows that ninja's are all about swords. Every movie you've seen, every game you've played, all the ninja's had swords in it. Ok, it's cool to see not just the cliche sword in Naruto but that doesn't mean they have to cut it out entirely. And it's indeed cool to see Sasuke with a sword.
@ DeathscytheVII: In martial arts you get taught to use your sword as an extension of your body, it being part of you. So naturally the movements you learn are just as quick and maybe even more practical then just your bare fists. Sure it takes practice but I think a true swordsmaster is just as deadly. Offcourse I'm not talking about any FF or Zabuza and Hayate swords but the original Chokuto sword used by the actual Shinobi should do the trick.
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Well, if it makes you guys feel any better, it looks like Sasuke uses a sword now.
I think the primary reason you don't see more swords or weapons in general in Naruto is because: Hands < Weapons < Ninja magic.
And you can't form hand seals for spells with weapons in your hands.
The hand seals are disruptive in any case (you can't hit with your fists either when performing those little theatrics), so it doesn't actually explain the lack of weapons. But otherwise you might be right.
the normal ninja sword is only like 2 or 3 times longer than a kunai
it probably only goes from your upper chest down to your waiste so preforming some easy seals like that from kage bushin won't be a problem... the sword is called Wakizashi and is like 40 cm long, nearly everyone has in mind that they use long swords like a ultra-sized katana [which weren't that big after all] because of hollywood,but in fact they used weapons like a sickle on a rope, staffs and really short swords (like the wakizashi because in a small room a longsword is practically useless)
to preform complex nin-jutsu u need time anyways so it shouldn't be a problem to put the sword into the ground or sheath
when i saw the first 20 episodes of naruto everything seemed perfect.
there were ninjas who used poison, many many weapons (which didn't appear again later)
ninjas were famous for creaiting and inventing new weapons and poisons thats why they were so incalculably. the demonbrothers were the only ones together with sasori who even used poisons, haku had these nice needle-like weapons zabuza this amazing long sword (which wasn realistic but cool :P) sasuke showed us the shuriken for the first time when he fought agains kakashi (they even introduced this weapon perfectly, a shuriken was very small so it is impossible to spot it when you find an "opening"[as they call it] because of the hole in the middle it makes a sound to irritate the enemy so it is a perfect weapon when you are hidden and later in naruto they even used the shurikan in melee which is also correct) naruto used the kunai and then later this amazing big throw-thingy (sry totally forgot the name) when sasuke and naruto fought zabuza together. but shortly after the sound four (one of them used a bow, thats was so cool!!!) everything stopped.
after seeing all this i excepted a Dao or Jin (is it spelled correctly?) and with Ten-Ten i thought my exception would be fulfilled but well... she isn't shown often
only the movies and fillers (!) showed new weapons , for example Lee used a staff (which was a very common weapon for a ninja) but what happened? all i see now are shuriken and kunais which are not even used properly... they are simply useless
it's like someone else writes the story now, its simply not the same naruto
at first nin-jutsu was used to show that ninjas have inhuman strength or speed, that they have some mysterious power and now it goes in the direction of DBZ
but they don't have to, martial artisst are able to do like 100 strikes in a minute each could be a fatal blow (to me that is amazing enough, i would even call this madness if you are able to do it).. so there is no need to show us the rasengan that often
do you know "fight science" (it is a show in america i think), after seeing this and the first 50 episodes of naruto i excepted so much..
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=hmLTr9zFegQ for example (im not sure if it was in this episode but they even compared chinese short-blades which staffs or longswords or ninjas with elite soldiers..it was pretty cool.. they showed every strength and weakness the series in german was called "galileo mystery" but i think they got everything from "fight science" because it looked fairly similiar.
edit: btw i m not talking about realism here, its just that a great fight like gaara vs lee, which involved weaponry, nin jutsu and great tai-jutsu is to rare.. in shippudden there is for example only the fight with sasori so far which is similiar to the "old style naruto".
most of the time its just ultimate 1 vs ultimate 2 and other aspects like gen-jutsu or taijutsu and weaponry seem forgotten. i m totally aware that naruto isn't a movie based on a true story so i don't mind unrealistic scenes lol
but simply watch the openings of naruto... the openings have BY FAR the best fighting scenes in it.. you can cleary see a combination of jutsu and martial arts there which is lacking in the actual anime
what happened to episodes like 30 or 49? (especially 30 i think this was the best episode in the whole anime)
in episode 45 something however gave me hope again.. it was when yamato catched sakura before she could hit the ground... the movement of sakura when she jumped from tree to tree (with naruto choosing a different direction in the background) and yamato sliding to reduce his speed is what i want to see in fights... a combination of good moves ,ninjutsu and maybe even weaponry (like during the chuunin exam)
Last edited by KrayZ33; Thu, 02-07-2008 at 05:42 AM.
People are saying that they liked the Sasori fight, but all the other fights sucked? There were only like, 3 real fights so far in Shippuuden, and Sasori's was definitely the longest of the three....
Personally, I enjoyed the Deidara vs Gaara, Team Gai vs Kisame, and Kyubi Naruto vs Oro matches.
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tbh i wasnt really keen on the sasori fight untill the 100 puppets vs 10 puppets bit.
thought it was all a bit drawn out.
deiadara vs garaa has been the best so far, well least untill the kyubi vs oro one, but that didnt really have much movement or tactics...more just immense brute force
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