Quote Originally Posted by CapsuleCorpJX
So Jiraya found out who Pain was before he died, and scribbled the answer on the frog's back. Did they reveal or hint yet at who Pain is?

Also, Itachi seems to hint that Madara is weak and could be beaten. However, Pain seemed invulnerable, yet he took his orders from Madara. How strong is Madara really? Even in the past, Madara was beaten by the First Hokage, and he never was able to take on the Leaf village by himself. He only made an attempt after controlling the Nine Tails.

I don't think Madara can possibly be stronger than Jiraya. And I think Pain is much stronger than Madara, but is somehow directly controlled by Madara.
madara kept kyuubi as a pet, and if any one person can completely nullify the strength of the nine-tailes bijuu, he is pretty damn strong. if pain was so significantly stronger than madara, he wouldnt need a team of people to help him capture all the bijuu. also, not much is known about madara yet, but if he's the leader of the uchiha clan, he has to be something special. and in any defense, the first hokage was bitchin, so i dont doubt that he killed madara... i dunno, i just cant wait for the next chapter.